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Mr._Clark

Audioholic Samurai
It looks like stocks are heading even lower.

>>>NEW YORK (AP) — President Donald Trump’s “Liberation Day” is fast approaching, and stock markets from Wall Street to Wellington, New Zealand, are falling Monday in advance of it.

In New York, the S&P 500 was down 0.8% following one of its worst losses of the past couple of years on Friday. It’s on track to finish the first three months of the year with a loss of 5.9%, which could make this its worst quarter in nearly three years.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average was down 111 points, or 0.3%, as of 10:10 a.m. Eastern time, and the Nasdaq composite was 1.7% lower.<<<


As of March 10, 2025, the S&P 500 alone lost $4 trillion from the peak in February.

>>>NEW YORK, March 10 (Reuters) - President Donald Trump’s tariffs have spooked investors, with fears of an economic downturn driving a stock market sell-off that has wiped out $4 trillion from the S&P 500’s peak last month, when Wall Street was cheering much of Trump's agenda.<<<


US investors own about 60% of the stocks in U.S. companies, which means those in the U.S. lost about $2.4 trillion on the S&P alone.

As far as I can tell, this far exceeds any amount the DOGE crew might be able to save. Musk said $2 trillion per year, but this is clearly not possible here in the real world:

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>>>"It is completely impossible for DOGE to save $2 trillion," Jessica Riedl, an economist and senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, a conservative-leaning think tank, recently told CBS. "Two-thirds of the $7 trillion federal budget goes to Social Security, Medicare, defense, veterans and interest on the debt — all of which has been taken off the table by President Trump. Saving $2 trillion would require eliminating nearly every remaining federal program.”

Riedl added: “DOGE has no legal or constitutional authority to cut this spending; Congress must pass a law.”<<<


It's hard to see how people will come out ahead financially under Trump.
More trillions in retirement savings are being lost.

>>>Most Americans' retirement savings, including 401(K)s, are tied to stock market performance. They are invested in shares and funds that track the major indices.

One that tracks the S&P 500 fell 2.2 percent in after-hours trading, while one that is tied to the Nasdaq-100 fund dropped 3.3 percent. A fund that follows the Dow Jones slipped 1 percent.<<<


Meanwhile, other than a handful of Senators voting on a resolution specific to Canadian tariffs, the GOP congressmen/women are sitting on their hands and watching the crash.

>>>Senate Republicans are bracing for the passage of a bipartisan bill to undo President Trump’s 25-percent tariff against Canada, which would deal Trump an embarrassing setback on “Liberation Day,” an occasion the president has proclaimed to announce a new round of tariffs.

Four Republicans — Sens. Rand Paul (Ky.), Susan Collins (Maine), Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) and Mitch McConnell (Ky.) — have indicated publicly or privately that they would vote for the resolution, according to Senate Democrats.<<<

 
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Mr._Clark

Audioholic Samurai
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dlaloum

Senior Audioholic
Interesting side effect - the Australian stock exchange went up...

I wonder whether the perverse effects are universal - US stocks down, everyone else up?
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
Russia was left off the tariff list:

>>>President Trump unveiled tariffs of at least 10% Wednesday on virtually the entire world, with one notable exception: Russia. . . .

The other two major economies excluded from Trump's otherwise exhaustive list were Canada and Mexico. Leavitt confirmed that was because Trump already imposed 25% tariffs on both. <<< (emphasis added)

https://www.axios.com/2025/04/02/trump-tariffs-russia-ukraine-ceasefire

Really just un F ing believable.
He has a love affair with that president in 1890 who had tariffs out the ying-yang. His perceived "golden years."
He forgets what happened in 1892/3 and 1930.
 
Trell

Trell

Audioholic Spartan
Going back to the late 19th century would show even higher Tariffs
Have a look at the second graphs that shows imports as part of GDP with the 20% "blip" corresponding to the Great Depression. Now the US imports are about 15% of GDP.
 
Trell

Trell

Audioholic Spartan
In the Trump speech on imposing tariffs on the world, except Russia, there was a poster showing how much tariffs other countries impose on USA. So there it's claimed that European Union have 39% tariffs while in reality it's less than 3%. Bonkers.

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dlaloum

Senior Audioholic
Have a look at the second graphs that shows imports as part of GDP with the 20% "blip" corresponding to the Great Depression. Now the US imports are about 15% of GDP.
The graphs don't extend into the 1890's when McKinley was a Trumpish fan of Tariffs....
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
Is Trump's chart accurate or fudged here and there or everywhere.
 
GO-NAD!

GO-NAD!

Audioholic Warlord
More trillions in retirement savings are being lost.

>>>Most Americans' retirement savings, including 401(K)s, are tied to stock market performance. They are invested in shares and funds that track the major indices.

One that tracks the S&P 500 fell 2.2 percent in after-hours trading, while one that is tied to the Nasdaq-100 fund dropped 3.3 percent. A fund that follows the Dow Jones slipped 1 percent.<<<


Meanwhile, other than a handful of Senators voting on a resolution specific to Canadian tariffs, the GOP congressmen/women are sitting on their hands and watching the crash.

>>>Senate Republicans are bracing for the passage of a bipartisan bill to undo President Trump’s 25-percent tariff against Canada, which would deal Trump an embarrassing setback on “Liberation Day,” an occasion the president has proclaimed to announce a new round of tariffs.

Four Republicans — Sens. Rand Paul (Ky.), Susan Collins (Maine), Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) and Mitch McConnell (Ky.) — have indicated publicly or privately that they would vote for the resolution, according to Senate Democrats.<<<

You don't need to remind me. I have my notice in to retire and my last day will be April 30th. While equities form part of my investment portfolio, I'm pretty diversified. Still, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't concerned about the stock markets.
 
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Dude#1279435

Audioholic Warlord
Russia was left off the tariff list:

>>>President Trump unveiled tariffs of at least 10% Wednesday on virtually the entire world, with one notable exception: Russia. . . .

The other two major economies excluded from Trump's otherwise exhaustive list were Canada and Mexico. Leavitt confirmed that was because Trump already imposed 25% tariffs on both. <<< (emphasis added)

https://www.axios.com/2025/04/02/trump-tariffs-russia-ukraine-ceasefire

Really just un F ing believable.
Afraid Putin will escalate war and/or does business within Russia?
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
Just when I thought my jaw could not drop any further here we are. The sad part is that it's very believable given past actions and statements.
Need to get appointment with dentist to wire it up so it stays in place. :D :D :D
 
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