today i got my brand new Focal Electra 1038BE , need some help for the rest

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pelo911

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today i got my brand new Focal Electra 1038BE , need some help for the rest of the system

later i will add the Electra center and rear
sub , i don't know if to buy the electra also or something else

cables?

Multi channel amp and pre processor

until now i connect my computer with optic cable to the receiver with motherboard sound card

i'm new to the high end sound
until now i connect my computer with optic cable to the receiver with motherboard sound card
i don't even now what is DAC and how to get good sources

because i want to use the system for HT and also for stereo music
i need Multi channel amp and pre processor , right?

choosing sub:
http://www.focal.com/en/home-audio-loud ... 000-be.php

or: (not sure what models from those brnads)
VELODYNE DD
JL FHANTOM

here some used i found:

http://app.audiogon.com/listings/proces ... ater-90001

http://app.audiogon.com/listings/multi- ... o-hills-ca

http://app.audiogon.com/listings/multi- ... iers-77494

http://app.audiogon.com/listings/multi- ... iers-50322

http://app.audiogon.com/listings/proces ... ater-90001

http://app.audiogon.com/listings/proces ... chicago-il

some of them are good enough for me?
 

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AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
For pre-pro/ amp:

I would call Electronics Expo and see if they can sell a new Denon 3312 for $600 or new 3313 for $800.

My Denon 3312 (measured 225wpc x 2ch into 4 ohms 1% THD) powers my Phil3 just fine without any ext amps (4 ohm, 85dB/2.83V/m) in my 18' x 20' x 12' room. But you can always add an amp later if you need.
 
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pelo911

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For pre-pro/ amp:

I would call Electronics Expo and see if they can sell a new Denon 3312 for $600 or new 3313 for $800.

My Denon 3312 (measured 225wpc x 2ch into 4 ohms 1% THD) powers my Phil3 just fine without any ext amps (4 ohm, 85dB/2.83V/m) in my 18' x 20' x 12' room. But you can always add an amp later if you need.
are you sure those are good enough for $12,000 speakers ?
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
High, congrats on the new speakers! I haven't heard those personally, but I liked the other focal speakers I heard :)

sub , i don't know if to buy the electra also or something else
Definitely something else from a value perspective. Look into Funk Audio, HSU ULS, and SVS!

Blue Jeans Cables.

Multi channel amp and pre processor
Denon 4312 + Crown XLS 2500 (or two).

i don't even now what is DAC and how to get good sources
A DAC is just a chip that converts digital to analog. A good prepro will already have a very good DAC. There's nothing to be gained from a standalone DAC.

Sources... how good they are just depends on the recording, mixing and mastering processes. Not much you can do.

i need Multi channel amp and pre processor , right?
Not really. A two-channel amp + Good Receiver can do the same thing. Let the receiver's amps handle the center and surrounds, and use the amp on the stereo speakers for music.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
are you sure those are good enough for $12,000 speakers ?
Well, instead of spending a lot on the AVR or pre-pro, you could use that money on amps. :D

The weakest link of most AVRs is the amp section, not the preamp.

As far as the SQ of the preamp section of the Denon 3312/ 3313 when bypassing RC/ EQ/ DSP, I believe it is good enough for $22,000 speakers.

But there's no right or wrong here. You could dish out some greens for the Denon 4311 or Integra pre-pro or Marantz pre-pro. I just think the Denon 3312's preamp section sounds as good as the any high-end preamp or pre-pro. I'm not biased into thinking more expensive components must sound better. :D

I would rather get a mid-priced AVR + ext Amp.
 
flyboylr45

flyboylr45

Senior Audioholic
CONGRATS on the FOCALS!!!

Had I known I was going to move before I bought my 1028BE, I would have bought the 1038BE!!! I'm sure you'll love them. For a sub, I would go the SVS route. I have the PB13 Ultra and it's a beast. As to wether a receiver or separates, I'm a separates guy. Since you're probably going to want a SOLID amplifier, just go the separates route. I have a Marantz AV7005 and that thing has a ton of features and it's comparable to the receivers you're looking at. I run my 1028BE with an integrated amplifier, but it is a 2 channel system only. As for speaker wires, I use Blue Jeans cable and would recommend them.
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
A two-channel amp + Good Receiver can do the same thing. Let the receiver's amps handle the center and surrounds, and use the amp on the stereo speakers for music.
I completely agree, base on my own experience. Also, the Focals can take a lot of power and play loud, but they don't really need much, depending on room size and the desired SPL.
 
KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
Don't get the Focal sub. If for some screwed up reason you feel compelled to spend lots of money, the Velodyne DD18 will do a decent enough job. Funk Audio is a great product at a reasonable cost (plus your sub will be custom built, so if you want to match woodgrain with your mains, you can).

Exotic Cables are largely snake oil. If you open up any top dollar amp or your speakers you will find plain old dumb copper wire inside! My biggest concerns with wire are:
1) Is it pliable enough to go and stay where I want to run it, and
2) If it is exposed, does it clash with the drapes.:)

Seriously, at the end of the day; if you got the jack and it makes you feel better to toss it on cables, go for it! However, on this site we are pretty pragmatic.

Something that does make a difference and you probably haven't thought about is room treatments. You might as well get your system finished first, but the room effects your end result (the sound quality) more than anything except maybe the speakers!

BTW, great choice on the speakers. Speakers make a true difference, and that is a place to spend money.

After the speakers, the pre-pro is where you want to spend thought time. What features do you want/need. I would disagree with the earlier recommendation and suggest you start with the Denon 4311 because it has the top level of Audyssey room EQ. You may not like it and decide not to use it, but you won't know unless you try and you can't add it later if you have room problems without replacing the entire unit.
 
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pelo911

Enthusiast
CONGRATS on the FOCALS!!!

Had I known I was going to move before I bought my 1028BE, I would have bought the 1038BE!!! I'm sure you'll love them. For a sub, I would go the SVS route. I have the PB13 Ultra and it's a beast. As to wether a receiver or separates, I'm a separates guy. Since you're probably going to want a SOLID amplifier, just go the separates route. I have a Marantz AV7005 and that thing has a ton of features and it's comparable to the receivers you're looking at. I run my 1028BE with an integrated amplifier, but it is a 2 channel system only. As for speaker wires, I use Blue Jeans cable and would recommend them.
i didn't realize how big the 1038 are until i put them in my living room !
maybe i did a mistake , i should got the 1028 - note sure.

i'm so confused
i need stereo Amp or Mono or Multi?
pre amp or receiver ?
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
i didn't realize how big the 1038 are until i put them in my living room !
maybe i did a mistake , i should got the 1028 - note sure.

i'm so confused
i need stereo Amp or Mono or Multi?
pre amp or receiver ?
Big is good. :D

How big is your room?

I would just start with an AVR w/ 125-150 WPC. See if the sound is loud and clear enough for you. You may not even need an external amp.

You can always add the amp later, like the ATI AT2007 for $2400: :D

ATI AT2007 Seven Channel x 200 Watt Amplifier - B-Stock (120 V) - Amplifiers

Or go cheaper with the Emotiva XPA-5.

But just start with an AVR w/ preamp output (like Denon 3312, 4311, etc).
 
KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
i didn't realize how big the 1038 are until i put them in my living room !
maybe i did a mistake , i should got the 1028 - note sure.

i'm so confused
i need stereo Amp or Mono or Multi?
pre amp or receiver ?
flyboylr45 will probably swap with you!
 
Irvrobinson

Irvrobinson

Audioholic Spartan
If for some screwed up reason you feel compelled to spend lots of money, the Velodyne DD18 will do a decent enough job. Funk Audio is a great product at a reasonable cost (plus your sub will be custom built, so if you want to match woodgrain with your mains, you can).
Actually, the difference in street prices between a powered FA 18.0 and a DD18 Plus is about $1100 each (taking a grille into account). For the difference you get very cool set up software (I'm not talking about the automated optimization, which I don't think is very good. I'm talking about the Windows-based GUI.) and a remote control. It's personal preference, of course, but I've grown to really like having a sub remote. You also get home delivery and set-up from a B&M dealer.

The two Funk products that intrigue me are the unpowered 18.0, like ATDG uses, and the 18.3. Both are unique in the marketplace, to my knowledge, in that if you have a pre / pro with bass management you can get a high quality 18" sub for a relatively bargain price. I also like the fact that Funk started using neo magnet structures, which makes their subs light enough that they can be easily carried around. I think that's a big win. The damned DD18 Plus weighs 140lbs.

The 18.3 intrigues me personally, because it looks like it could be the most powerful home sub available. I need it like I need another hole in my head, because the DD18 Plus really does the trick in my room, but it annoys me that the 18.3 is available and I don't own one, yet. :)
 
flyboylr45

flyboylr45

Senior Audioholic
I'll even deliver them!!!! Mine are the same color as the OP. I would say you need at least 250 watts. I see my VU meters pretty close to the 200 watt area a lot. I would definitely get a power amp. It all depends how much $$$ you want to spend. In my music room I have acoustic panels and all that needs to be taken into consideration for your budget.
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
I'll even deliver them!!!! Mine are the same color as the OP. I would say you need at least 250 watts. I see my VU meters pretty close to the 200 watt area a lot. I would definitely get a power amp. It all depends how much $$$ you want to spend. In my music room I have acoustic panels and all that needs to be taken into consideration for your budget.
That's interesting, I don't have the Mc but my Marantz VU meter would never come close to 20W when driving my R900. I have not tried it on the 1028 yet but I am pretty sure the result would be similar based on the specs. You must have a very large room and/or enjoy very high SPL.

I have also auditioned the KEF blades recently powered by two Mc 1 KW monoblocks and I don't recall their VU meters went pass 100W even at unbearable SPL. Room size surely can make a huge difference in power requirements.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
The two Funk products that intrigue me are the unpowered 18.0, like ATDG uses, and the 18.3. Both are unique in the marketplace, to my knowledge, in that if you have a pre / pro with bass management you can get a high quality 18" sub for a relatively bargain price. I also like the fact that Funk started using neo magnet structures, which makes their subs light enough that they can be easily carried around. I think that's a big win. The damned DD18 Plus weighs 140lbs.

The 18.3 intrigues me personally, because it looks like it could be the most powerful home sub available. I need it like I need another hole in my head, because the DD18 Plus really does the trick in my room, but it annoys me that the 18.3 is available and I don't own one, yet. :)
Yeah, the F18.0 unpowered is $1900 delivered. I think the 18.3 unpowered is $2700 delivered. I even got free grilles for buying dual F18.0. :D

It is cool that I can actually pick up the F18.0 with my bare hands :D

BTW, I think the prices on the Funk subs go up by like $200 each after January 2013, so if you buy Funk, better buy before then.
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
Yeah, the F18.0 unpowered is $1900 delivered. I think the 18.3 unpowered is $2700 delivered. I even got free grilles for buying dual F18.0. :D

It is cool that I can actually pick up the F18.0 with my bare hands :D

BTW, I think the prices on the Funk subs go up by like $200 each after January 2013, so if you buy Funk, better buy before then.
My Focal dealer got me convinced to get a couple of JLAudio to back up my 6.5" W woofers, but you guys are now giving me new hope, that the Funks may do the trick for a poor man who can't afford those JLA...yet..:D Now I have to find out if they are available in Canada for the kind of prices mentioned.:rolleyes:
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
My Focal dealer got me convinced to get a couple of JLAudio to back up my 6.5" W woofers, but you guys are now giving me new hope, that the Funks may do the trick for a poor man who can't afford those JLA...yet..:D Now I have to find out if they are available in Canada for the kind of prices mentioned.:rolleyes:
The Funk subs are LESS expensive in Canada because of shipping. :D

Funk is in Canada. :D

I think $300 LESS for each sub if in Canada.

So my Funk 18.0 unpowered subs would be like $1600 deliverd if I live in Canada (before Jan 2013). Man, dual F18.0 for about $3K!!!

Seriously, I know JL has all the hype and rep, but if you offered me JL powered vs Funk unpowered for free, I would get the Funk unpowered 100%.

I wish I hadn't bought dual RBH SX-1010N subs. Then I would have bought 4 x F18.0. :eek: :D

Oh, well, at least my Revel, B&W, KEF, and TAD get dual F18.0. I'm happy. :)
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
The Funk subs are LESS expensive in Canada. :D

Seriously, I know JL has all the hype and rep, but if you offered me JL powered vs Funk unpowered for free, I would get the Funk unpowered 100%.
I found out seconds after I posted.:D Have not spent enough time on their new website yet, do they have a seal one like the JL? The new 15" ones are looking good to me. I hope we are still on topic, in the sense that Focal Electra series do need a sub or two to do their best.
 

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