Tidbits-slow adapation of multi-channel audio+consumer decision regarding purchases.

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HTHOLIC

Audioholic
Truth is, even prominent people in the sound field know both the failure of DVD audio and SACD, most people don't care about being the sound quality of music. If you click this link it is interesting as to read an interview.

http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=32150

"Indeed, the failure of the DVD-A and Super Audio CD formats as well as the carelessness with which most people place speakers in their homes (on the floor, behind a chair, etc., instead of mounted at ear level) and use crappy, ear-damaging earbud headphones attest to general public's insensibility to sound in space and listening in general."

That article was about Intergrating Sound and Art


Video and Movies play a huge part in sound,mainly because every young guy or gyal out there, would be yeah- I wanna hear this movie in Surround Sound!, as a result 5.1,6.1, and 7.1 speakers are common nowadays but then again HTIB and cubed speakers kinda negate progress. Thing is though there is an interest in surround sound and that drives the market for more so then multi-channel audio and music, which I admire and love myself.

BLU-RAY and HD-DVD will make DVD and SACD obsolete. The only reason sacd and dvd-audio probably came about is becaue of "copy protection". Since BR and HD dvd has copy protection features everyone will probably migrate to those for music.

The Playstation 3 would probably contribute to blu-ray's success. But how many people out there(mass market) are going to have HD tv's with hdmi, the latest receivers and 7 speakers with a subwoofer. Most people and consumers would probably still use the "composite" video/audio output of the blu-ray and hd-dvd and play stereo. The PS2 and xbox already have hdtv output and surround sound. Walk in to your friend's house/most people wound't have that- or if they do its probably cubed speakers.

Hopefully though Multi-Channel Music will come to light, now did artist really win out with copy-protection on dvd-audio and Sacd in terms of sales, Uh No.

When Blu-ray and HD-DVD comes to the computer it will probably be cracked mathematically.
 
Rob Babcock

Rob Babcock

Moderator
Blu-Ray indeed has the capability to replace DVD-A and SACD. But will it? Both have been speculated to be possible formats that would be "rolled into" BRD, but nothing official has been stated.

But the whole line of thought is silly- no one anticipated (in a concrete way) the coming of hi def DVDs. DVD-A and SACD simply represented the best possible technologies available at them time. In fifty years kids will laugh at how we used to think 1080p was "state of the art". Rust never sleeps.

Certainly the concept of an "uncrackable disc", fantasy though it was, was appealing to Big Music. And it undoubtedly contributed to them throwing 1/50 of their weight behind the formats.;) But they didn't create the formats. Okay, industry giants Philips and Sony created the SACD spec, but the relatively tiny British company Meridian created the DVD-A spec, and for no better reason that the belief that they could create better sound.
 
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HTHOLIC

Audioholic
Well to tell you what I think

Certainly in 50 years technology will change, and kids will laugh at us. but the reality is since the late 80's-actually the early 90's technology has moved up to pace but very slowly.

The DVD format is 10 years old and most people atleast a whole bunch of people I know are still using 480i composite inputs(vast amount of consumers), they just have a standard tv-hook up the dvd player that's all.

The CD FORMAT will be 30 years old in a few years ,yeah and a 218kbps doesn't sound better than the original cd encoding,heck they should have mad 320kbps MP3's.

You don't need 1080p if your screem is smaller than 60 something inches, just try maximizing the resolution on your pc monitor to see what I am talking about. Still 1080p for computers has been around for a few years, and I could watch 1080p on my widescreen 16:9 monitor.

DOLBY digital has been around since 1992 and a lot of people in the house still use stereo with dvd, or if they have surround sound they have those cube boxes

So ya, kids have all the fancy-smanche but I feel as technology is slowing down and not being bought by a lot of consumers(ie, most people have HTIB's if anything).

9 years ago there was talk about 17gb DVD discs-dual sided, I wonder why it never came to be?, hd-dvd is 25gb so a 17gb could've went a long way.
The ps3 may hopefully have a positive impact- but then what if kids put it in composite inputs, downscaled to 480i or p, ie parents buying it for their 12 year old child. Go figure!
 
Rob Babcock

Rob Babcock

Moderator
If you're trying to make a point it totally eludes me. There are people today driving 50 year old cars and living in 500 year old houses. There will always be a technology gap and there will always be new technology. And at least so long as there's capitalism in the world people will try to make money off it. Should companies create new products just for the warm fuzzy feeling? At the end of the day a product must turn a profit if it's to continue existing.

The market may be crazy, but on some level, by definition, it's never "wrong." You and I are probably the "crazy" ones.;)
 
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HTHOLIC

Audioholic
Kinda off-key as to my point,but

Rob Babcock said:
If you're trying to make a point it totally eludes me. There are people today driving 50 year old cars and living in 500 year old houses. There will always be a technology gap and there will always be new technology. And at least so long as there's capitalism in the world people will try to make money off it. Should companies create new products just for the warm fuzzy feeling? At the end of the day a product must turn a profit if it's to continue existing.

The market may be crazy, but on some level, by definition, it's never "wrong." You and I are probably the "crazy" ones.;)
Well, what I was referring to is, average Joe consumers basically drive the market to an extent, with HTIB'S and CD'S. One of the things I was asking was let's say 50 million people in the country(households rather) owned home theater systems or were playing to build them like the rest of us, wouldn't the market be more competitive and prices go down?

Would denon have to sell their 3910 player for 1,500 so 10 million people could buy it, or would they sell it for 500 for 50 million people, and make more profit. Its about supply and demand a lot of times.

A millionare would purchase BOSE speakers(multi-millionare-now that miilions are more common with house prices) in the living room for $10,000 and says its great, now the TV they might have a good tv but still,yu'd get my point.
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
Dolby digital in 1992?

The earliest I can recall Dolby Digital hitting the market was around 1998 or so. DTS followed, slowly, about a year later.

I DO recall Dolby Surround, that matrixed four channel thing coming out somewhat earlier and soon upgraded to Dolby Pro Logic.
 
pikers

pikers

Audioholic
The market responds to improvements in ergonomics and convenience more than performance often times. A new shiny CD-like disc replacing clunky PIA video tape made perfect sense, and the market responded. Incremental improvements to that major change will always remain the province of the enthusiast.

The market, IMO, would instantly respond to a simple, affordable way to place all media on to a simple hard-drive like device, with intuitive interface. These products exist, but are expensive and rely on integrators to perfect their use. The industry is made of largely enthusiasts, so they assume that the masses will follow their logic.

So, does J6P not care about quality? Well, put a $29 DVD player in their face, and tell them it will play any 5.25" disc they stick in it, and watch what happens(ed). Does it look or sound good? Nah, but it works. Unfortunately, the industry shoots itself in the foot so often with major format and technology changes, that it forces prices down on existing tech, in anticipation of its replacement. The consumer knows this (or cynically suspects it), so the biggest price point for today's DVD players is under $120. The industry can lament it, but doesn't seem to want to take steps to alter their habits.
 

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