This time, a real question

[eljr]

I need a new amp/preamp to drive a pair of stereo speakers that offers an output to a sub.

Here are the speakers i want to drive.

No shortcuts in power please.

Just need two stereo inputs both analog.

 

[TLS Guy]

I need a new amp/preamp to drive a pair of stereo speakers that offers an output to a sub.

Here are the speakers i want to drive.
View attachment 71496

No shortcuts in power please.

Just need two stereo inputs both analog.

Not clear what you are asking for. Are you asking for an integrated amp or 2 channel separates? Units like that with bass management for a sub are far and few between.

For what I think you are trying to do you best option is separates with an electronic crossover between the two units. That is what I would do.

 

[highfigh]

I need a new amp/preamp to drive a pair of stereo speakers that offers an output to a sub.

Here are the speakers i want to drive.
View attachment 71496

No shortcuts in power please.

Just need two stereo inputs both analog.

What brand of speakers?

How much bass management do you want? I used a Yamaha MusicCast WXC-50 for several years as the preamp/streaming source for my system and I like it- I'm back to the Parasound preamp now, but still use the Yamaha as a source. It does have some bass management- check the manual and see if it will do what you want.

It has several inputs of various types and you can use your choice of power amps- I use a Parasound A23, but it's up to you.

 

[eljr]

What brand of speakers?

How much bass management do you want? I used a Yamaha MusicCast WXC-50 for several years as the preamp/streaming source for my system and I like it- I'm back to the Parasound preamp now, but still use the Yamaha as a source. It does have some bass management- check the manual and see if it will do what you want.

It has several inputs of various types and you can use your choice of power amps- I use a Parasound A23, but it's up to you.

1 Dali
2 bass management? I just want to run an RCA line from pre. Sub is active
3) Yamaha MusicCast WXC-50 which i have and don't use does not have a sub out.
4) does the Parasound A23 offer enough power to drive a 6 ohm speaker as i have?

 

[eljr]

Are you asking for an integrated amp

This would be best. If it has balanced and unbalanced outputs which work in parallel id be set.

 

[highfigh]

1 Dali
2 bass management? I just want to run an RCA line from pre. Sub is active
3) Yamaha MusicCast WXC-50 which i have and don't use does not have a sub out.
4) does the Parasound A23 offer enough power to drive a 6 ohm speaker as i have?

Uh, yes it does have sub out. It has a control for level, you can select the rollover frequency, etc.

The Parasound Halo series amps are rated with low impedance load- yeah, it can handle 6 Ohms just fine. My speakers are closer to 4 Ohms and I have never had a problem, it doesn't run hot and the output is more than I use.

 

[Trell]

1 Dali
2 bass management? I just want to run an RCA line from pre. Sub is active
3) Yamaha MusicCast WXC-50 which i have and don't use does not have a sub out.
4) does the Parasound A23 offer enough power to drive a 6 ohm speaker as i have?

Why not just buy an AVR? Works just fine in stereo as well.

I've a 2015 model Denon AVR-X4200W for my 5.1 setup having 4 Ohm speakers. The room is small by American standards and I sit 2.7 m from the front LR speakers.

And yes @TLS Guy it's in use daily but I've added quiet fans on top of it.

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

No one seems to be asking the critical questions of how loud you expect these to play and how far from speakers you are sitting.
No shortcuts in power? What does that mean? Do you want to blow up your speakers and/or your hearing?

 

[TLS Guy]

1 Dali
2 bass management? I just want to run an RCA line from pre. Sub is active
3) Yamaha MusicCast WXC-50 which i have and don't use does not have a sub out.
4) does the Parasound A23 offer enough power to drive a 6 ohm speaker as i have?

The Parasound does not have bass management. It has enough power. Generally integrated amps that have a sub out, do not offer bass management like an AVR or AVP.
The main speakers still run full range. I can't think of an amp that fits your description off hand. If you don't want a receiver then your best bet is to get a pre and power amp and an electronic crossover to go between the units.

 

[shadyJ]

I like how under the 'Loudspeaker type" spec it lists "Front;Rear." I really hate it when I get a speaker and it just has a front but not a rear.

 

[TLS Guy]

I like how under the 'Loudspeaker type" spec it lists "Front;Rear." I really hate it when I get a speaker and it just has a front but not a rear.

I noticed that too, which is why I feel information is being withheld. I suspect we a dealing with a disaster of a speaker here.

 

[shadyJ]

I noticed that too, which is why I feel information is being withheld. I suspect we a dealing with a disaster of a speaker here.

I would have guessed its a bipole design from that weird "Front:rear" type spec, but the hybrid tweeter spec means it's almost certainly a speaker from Dali.

 

[eljr]

Why not just buy an AVR? Works just fine in stereo as well.

I've a 2015 model Denon AVR-X4200W for my 5.1 setup having 4 Ohm speakers. The room is small by American standards and I sit 2.7 m from the front LR speakers.

And yes @TLS Guy it's in use daily but I've added quiet fans on top of it.

Why would I want to buy something I don't need?

Never have, Never will. Thanks for the comment though.

 

[eljr]

I suspect we a dealing with a disaster of a speaker here.

you'd love it

I sure do
Trust me, this speaker is excellent. This is only for my TV. I have two other sets of speakers

Woops, sorry, forgot. All speakers sound the same?

 

[highfigh]

Woops, sorry, forgot. All speakers sound the same?

Who has said that? They're dead wrong.

 

[eljr]

No one seems to be asking the critical questions of how loud you expect these to play and how far from speakers you are sitting.
No shortcuts in power? What does that mean? Do you want to blow up your speakers and/or your hearing?

Clipping generally occurs from too little power not to much.
Sitting position is not far away. 10 feet.

 

[Mikado463]

Clipping generally occurs from too little power not to much.

I prefer to say, 'not enough' .......

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

Clipping generally occurs from too little power not to much.
Sitting position is not far away. 10 feet.

I am going to make a few assumptions here and based on the info provided by you:
Speaker sensitivity: 88 dB SPL
Distance: 10ft
Number of speakers: 2
Near Wall: yes

To get THX Reference levels (85dbl + 20 peaks), you'd need an amp capable of delivering a whopping 120Wpc into 6 ohms. This is solid mid-range AVR territory.

 

[PENG]

Clipping generally occurs from too little power not to much.
Sitting position is not far away. 10 feet.

"generally" would seem like a generalized statement that would not likely be true. More likely, it depends!
Regardless, since you provide most of the necessary information, we can just use a good calculator to run some numbers.

I just did that based on your speaker's specs that says maximum SPL is 109 dB so based on no room gain, there is a loss of 9.7 dB at 10 ft that is approx. 3.05 meters.

So in order for the speaker to never sound really bad, you can push it to output about 99 dB that is 6 dB below reference but is still very loud, much too loud for me anyway but ymmv.

That means you need about 156 W to drive one of those speakers to produce its rated SPL at 10 ft (3.05 meters)

Any of the Denon/Marantz midrange AVRs can do it . I understand you will never use an AVR but in reality they could be the best valued because of the excellent bass management features as well as the capability to use room correction/eq that could deliver real audible sound quality gain vs the often perceived better sound quality offered by some high end integrated amps and separates preamp/power amp, but not supported by measured data.

Anyway, since we can rule out the AVR options, you seem to prefer integrated to separates, I would then also suggest the Parasound A21+ if you can live without bass management.

If bass management and/or at least a couple of discrete subwoofer outputs are desirable, and you want to have XLR I/Os then there are not too many choices.

The NAD C399 is nice but no XLRs

For separates, there are more choices, for example:

minidsp Flex, or Flex 8 (you may say you don't need the features, but you never know, you may want those in the near future), if not then the Flex can be a good option:

You can have balanced I/Os, and very good bass management features for USD 550.

Then you can pair it with a 3 channel Hypex or Purifi based amps (many choices).

Buckeye Amps

Apollon NC500 3 Channel Amplifier | Apollon Audio Hypex Purifi Premium Amplifiers

Or:

Monolith by Monoprice 3x200 Watts Per Channel Multi-Channel Home Theater Power Amplifier with XLR Inputs - Monoprice.com