This is all Benjamin Franklin's Fault

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That's odd given you just said....

If he could yell "I can't breathe!", he was clearly breathing.

I'm pretty sure that was Floyd saying that due to Chauvin's knee being on his neck. It's also odd you say "they all wanted video of the scene." I believe the police told the people to stand back. Yet in the end you're this vocal critic of Chauvin.

Time passed between his shouting and ending- as I wrote, it could have just been the constant pressure and him weakening.

They got video, whether they were told to stand back, or not. That wasn't just a few people standing by.

 

[Hobbit]

One problem with the Constitution is that it isn’t treated as a living document. Although countless court cases have interpreted the meaning of each amendment, the original framework has barely changed—aside from the addition of 15 amendments.

The same pattern appears with new laws. As soon as they’re passed, lawyers search for loopholes, and courts uphold those loopholes because they align with the text of the law, regardless of legislative intent.

In industry, even relatively simple procedures can’t be written perfectly the first time. The difference is that industry accepts learning from experience and refining specifications over time.

 

[highfigh]

One problem with the Constitution is that it isn’t treated as a living document. Although countless court cases have interpreted the meaning of each amendment, the original framework has barely changed—aside from the addition of 15 amendments.

The same pattern appears with new laws. As soon as they’re passed, lawyers search for loopholes, and courts uphold those loopholes because they align with the text of the law, regardless of legislative intent.

In industry, even relatively simple procedures can’t be written perfectly the first time. The difference is that industry accepts learning from experience and refining specifications over time.

OK, so what rights should be removed? Think carefully- they were all included in order to prevent real tyranny. I would consider ADDING a couple that prevent members of Congress doing the crap they have been for more than 50 years. We already have a balanced budget amendment, but they obviously don't give a rat's patoot about that. The US deficit is leading us to major problems and it needs to be settled.

 

[Hobbit]

OK, so what rights should be removed? Think carefully- they were all included in order to prevent real tyranny. I would consider ADDING a couple that prevent members of Congress doing the crap they have been for more than 50 years. We already have a balanced budget amendment, but they obviously don't give a rat's patoot about that. The US deficit is leading us to major problems and it needs to be settled.

Did you mean to reply to someone else’s post? I never mentioned adding or removing amendments or specific issues. I said the Constitution and laws should be viewed as living documents, not as immutable commandments cast in stone.

In many industries, procedures—such as specifications, operating procedures, and military performance standards—are treated similarly to laws with one big exception; they evolve as conditions, knowledge, and requirements change:

A living document is one that is flexible and updated as new information or circumstances arise.

In this sense, every court case interpreting a constitutional amendment arguably reshapes the meaning of that amendment.

Likewise, with any bill or law Congress passes, some lawyer will find language open to interpretation. Yet we lack a simple, efficient way to update laws as these issues arise.

 

[GO-NAD!]

Riot- destruction of property with violence- why is that hard to compare with a 'peaceful protest'?

What gives you, me or anyone else the right to decide if rioting is acceptable? I think the regime needed to stop too and in a case like that or other dictatorship, which we DON'T have, it's the only way to get rid of the oppressors.

I replied to Dude- WRT Chauvin, I think someone should have forced him off and I don't remember seeing that his gun was out of the holster, so if he had fired his weapon after being shoved, it obviously would have become a mass beating with more casualties. I'm surprised that someone didn't grab an object and knock Chauvin out. THAT would have been justified.

How is it hard to compare rioting with peaceful protests? In shouldn't be, but in the Floyd case, 90%+ of the protests were judged to be peaceful. Yet, many on the right claimed that violence was a common feature.

And, after the Good shooting, members of the administration - from Trump on down the line - have called her a terrorist and claimed she tried to run the ICE member down, while she was only trying to drive away. So, if or how violent a person is can be in the eye of the beholder. Of course, they may be well aware that they are making BS statements, but have an agenda to push.

To be clear, in the North American context, at least, I don't think violent protests, rioting and looting can be justified and are unhelpful. For now, anyway.* Sometimes, a protest can be mainly peaceful, except for isolated instances of violence. Does that mean the entire protest should be condemned as being violent?

Iranian protesters have been rioting and burning cars in the streets. Are they in the wrong or is it justifiable?

*If authoritarian repression ramps up, that could change.

 

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Look what that pos Vance said about Renee Good even before the investigation got underway. We can be sure that the result of the FBI investigation will be tainted and filled with errors and outright lies to support Trump and Vance. Its pathetic.

 

[lovinthehd]

Look what that pos Vance said about Renee Good even before the investigation got underway. We can be sure that the result of the FBI investigation will be tainted and filled with errors and outright lies to support Trump and Vance. Its pathetic.

Not just Vance but also drumphy and Noem.

 

[Mr._Clark]

One problem with the Constitution is that it isn’t treated as a living document. . . .

For 250 years the Constition did not grant the president immunity for criminal acts.

Now it does.

The Supreme Court is actively rewriting the Constitution on a regular basis.