The SEPARATES vs. AVR Thread

[Bookmark]

Sorry for the misunderstanding. It does not go in the telly it goes in the AVR. You then don't use the TV apps.

Yesterday I tried the iPlayer 4k HLG output for the World cup final. I lasted about 10 seconds. The OTA HD was much better.

 

[RichB]

Agreed, I would add that eARC is probably redundant and not needed for most people because only 2017/18 AVRs will come with eARC or cannot upgraded via firmware, yet 2017/18 models already can pass the latest audio/video codecs/formats so the latest external 4K devices with the latest audio codecs/formats can be connected to them directly. The irony is, those who can benefit from eARC are those with 2016 and earlier AVRs that are not eARC capable and cannot be upgraded via firmware. May be I am missing something..

The value of eARC is primarily for application running on the display. The other is to permit connecting a 4K device to the TV with the TV then relaying the audio. The latter is not very useful for players that can be connected via the AVR/Processor.

I don't get your 2016 AVR point.

- Rich

 

[RichB]

As far as I can tell, HDR10+ seems to require the HDMI 2.1 feature support.

- Rich

 

[snakeeyes]

It’s just a matter of time before streaming catches up. The Dolby Digital plus isn’t bad sound for me but I want Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD MA in at least 5.1. Atmos or DTSX would be even better...

 

[PENG]

The value of eARC is primarily for application running on the display. The other is to permit connecting a 4K device to the TV with the TV then relaying the audio. The latter is not very useful for players that can be connected via the AVR/Processor.

I don't get your 2016 AVR point.

- Rich

But that's my point, the smart TV apps typically don't offer the HD audio codecs anyway. I guess you are right in case the 2019 and beyond smart TV apps do, for those who don't have the latest Apple TV, BDPs etc.

 

[RichB]

But that's my point, the smart TV apps typically don't offer the HD audio codecs anyway. I guess you are right in case the 2019 and beyond smart TV apps do, for those who don't have the latest Apple TV, BDPs etc.

Conceivably, PLEX and other apps could provide lossless sound. The primary benefit should be ARC that works reliably.

- Rich

 

[Bookmark]

This will largely depend upon the chipset and drivers supporting passthru bitstream, and of course the App. This is already possible with some, but not all, Android TV Hdmi 2.0 boxes with the SMTP version of Kodi. Some required a special firmware and others work just fine with the vanilla version of Kodi. I suspect the Plex apps maybe similar.

Since the intended purpose of eARC is to pass the full range of codecs in theory it will, in practice however it will be a very different story. It may be a bit hit or miss when capable TVs first arrive. Likely the big brands such as Sony, LG and Samsung it won't be a problem. I do forsee a lot of threads when this turns up.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

BTW, the new ATI ATP16 Pre-pro will be showing at CEDIA next month (September).

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

It’s a fact, no longer rumor. Yamaha is setting up to replace their flagship pre-pro CX-A5100. Official words.

That means prices on the CX-A5100 is about to drop probably today or tomorrow, boys.

 

[Andrein]

It’s a fact, no longer rumor. Yamaha is setting up to replace their flagship pre-pro CX-A5100. Official words.

That means prices on the CX-A5100 is about to drop probably today or tomorrow, boys.

Will you replace your unit with 5200 or keep it for some time?

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Will you replace your unit with 5200 or keep it for some time?

I love the CX-A5100, so I'll be keeping it for as long as possible - like longer than 8 years.

 

[Cos]

BTW, the new ATI ATP16 Pre-pro will be showing at CEDIA next month (September).

I am sure the ATI will be a beast, but would have like support for hdmi 2.1 for HDR10+ for 10K

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I am sure the ATI will be a beast, but would have like support for hdmi 2.1 for HDR10+ for 10K

True.

Anyone releasing or even claiming to release HDMI 2.1 ?

 

[snakeeyes]

True.

Anyone releasing or even claiming to release HDMI 2.1 ?

Wait, aren’t you a dealer? Wouldn’t you know before us? Yamaha 5300?

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Wait, aren’t you a dealer? Wouldn’t you know before us? Yamaha 5300?

They haven't released any details yet to dealers. I just got the news that Yamaha was clearing the CX-A5100 to make room for the CX-A5200. But no details on the CX-A5200.

I think some people may have insider info that dealers don't have.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Got definite confirmation on the clearance price on the CX-A5100 today.

 

[Bookmark]

Apparently the MX A5000 is in line also for an update which would be nice as I think this is the part that lets down the whole package.

By the looks of it, it will also feature the Dolby up-mixing restriction of the xx80 series.

 

[snakeeyes]

Apparently the MX A5000 is in line also for an update which would be nice as I think this is the part that lets down the whole package.

By the looks of it, it will also feature the Dolby up-mixing restriction of the xx80 series.

What is the Dolby upmix issue??

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

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[Bookmark]

@snakeeyes Over at the other place, they have been questioning whether the new Dolby License has already put in place the restrictions on DSU processing of Dts or any other formats. This has been discussed here previously as a bad move and is due for any 2018 and possibly 2017 models as a required update.

Apparently the manual for the Yamaha Axx80 series has a page on this, but there appears to be debate about whether it is actually currently enabled. All manufacturers are to have this imposed as part of the Dolby License agreement but there has been no indication so far with the Marantz or Denon users.