The SEPARATES vs. AVR Thread

[PENG]

I have actually heard of mono-preamp.

Really? I meant something you can buy from a store, not DIY though, and audiophile kind of specs and build quality.

 

[Mikado463]

Well, the name of this thread is “Separates vs AVR”, not “Pre-pros vs AVR”.

And the purest separates are the pure analog stereo preamps and amps.

Yes and I am in the 'separates camp'. I like the flexibility it offers with regards to choices made for individual components. Source > amplification ..... TT (VPI Aries 3) > Fosgate phono-pre > ARC LS28 line stage > Pass labs X260.8's

 

[Irvrobinson]

Well, the name of this thread is “Separates vs AVR”, not “Pre-pros vs AVR”.

Yeah, but with the term AVR in the title, it did direct the discussion. I can see it now, Mikado cross-shops his pre-amps (he uses two in series) with an AVR. Uh-huh. Makes perfect sense.

 

[Mikado463]

I can see it now, Mikado cross-shops his pre-amps (he uses two in series) with an AVR. Uh-huh. Makes perfect sense.

No.......... I use a phono preamp which then feeds my line stage preamp which then feeds a pair of mono block amps.

 

[Irvrobinson]

No.......... I use a phono preamp which then feeds my line stage preamp which then feeds a pair of mono block amps.

Yes.... a phono pre-amp and a line stage pre-amp are two pre-amps in series.

 

[Mikado463]

Yes.... a phono pre-amp and a line stage pre-amp are two pre-amps in series.

Correct, but there's no AVR in the chain.

 

[Irvrobinson]

Correct, but there's no AVR in the chain.

I know, and I think that was a very good decision. Remember how I entered this thread. (See post #4.)

 

[Mikado463]

I know, and I think that was a very good decision. Remember how I entered this thread. (See post #4.)

Roger, straight to the point....... I like it !

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Really? I meant something you can buy from a store, not DIY though, and audiophile kind of specs and build quality.

Yeah, it was probably something you buy online, not something you could buy at a store.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Yeah, but with the term AVR in the title, it did direct the discussion. I can see it now, Mikado cross-shops his pre-amps (he uses two in series) with an AVR. Uh-huh. Makes perfect sense.

There’s nothing wrong with using an AVR for Pure 2CH music.

As @PENG has shown with FR graphs, the Denon X3400 7.1 AVR measures at least as well as a separate Stereo Preamp for 2CH.

I’ve compared AVR with other high-end analog stereo preamps. For some people who don’t care for all the audio theories, religions, and SNR of 130dB and just want simple 2CH music, an AVR will do just fine. It may not be for everyone, but it is just fine for many.

 

[Out-Of-Phase]

There’s nothing wrong with using an AVR for Pure 2CH music.

As @PENG has shown with FR graphs, the Denon X3400 7.1 AVR measures at least as well as a separate Stereo Preamp for 2CH.

I’ve compared AVR with other high-end analog stereo preamps. For some people who don’t care for all the audio theories, religions, and SNR of 130dB and just want simple 2CH music, an AVR will do just fine. It may not be for everyone, but it is just fine for many.

AVRs work for me.

 

[Irvrobinson]

There’s nothing wrong with using an AVR for Pure 2CH music.

As @PENG has shown with FR graphs, the Denon X3400 7.1 AVR measures at least as well as a separate Stereo Preamp for 2CH.

I’ve compared AVR with other high-end analog stereo preamps. For some people who don’t care for all the audio theories, religions, and SNR of 130dB and just want simple 2CH music, an AVR will do just fine. It may not be for everyone, but it is just fine for many.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've heard all of this. An AVR is still like using a Leatherman tool as a steak knife. Why not? It still cuts, right? But I'd just rather have an actual steak knife.

 

[Mikado463]

and not just any steak knife either..........nice CUTCO !

 

[Out-Of-Phase]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've heard all of this. An AVR is still like using a Leatherman tool as a steak knife. Why not? It still cuts, right? But I'd just rather have an actual steak knife.

https://shop.scharfkochen.de/p770/nesmuk-jahrhundertmesser-2010.html

There’s nothing like a good audiophile steak knife to impress your friends.

 

[Irvrobinson]

and not just any steak knife either..........nice CUTCO !

The Leatherman and the Cutco are both Made in the USA. I thought you guys would appreciate that.

 

[Verdinut]

https://shop.scharfkochen.de/p770/nesmuk-jahrhundertmesser-2010.html

There’s nothing like a good audiophile steak knife to impress your friends.

Those go well with the $20K Theta Casablanca Pre-pro connected to an Accuphase P7300 Stereo Power amp, driving your dream speakers !

I don't know how much the Accuphase sells for though.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

https://shop.scharfkochen.de/p770/nesmuk-jahrhundertmesser-2010.html

There’s nothing like a good audiophile steak knife to impress your friends.

And I thought only Audio was an expensive hobby.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

The Leatherman and the Cutco are both Made in the USA. I thought you guys would appreciate that.

Yeah, but are they really made in the USA or just designed and assembled in the USA?

 

[PENG]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've heard all of this. An AVR is still like using a Leatherman tool as a steak knife. Why not? It still cuts, right? But I'd just rather have an actual steak knife.

Hate to tell you, it feels good to have both.

 

[Irvrobinson]

Yeah, but are they really made in the USA or just designed and assembled in the USA?

Really really made here.