Trell

Trell

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Raising taxes on corporations doesn’t increase tax revenue, it stifles growth. Study the Laffer Curve.at worst it shows there is a moderate increase in tax revenue with individuals increasing savings and wealth.
The Laffer Curve (made in 1974) is a theoretical construct not borne out when looking at real data.

Here's a piece from Krugman in 2015 with some historical data for personal income taxes:

>>>And nothing in the experience of the past 35 years has made Lafferism any more credible. Since the 1970s there have been four big changes in the effective tax rate on the top 1 percent: the Reagan cut, the Clinton hike, the Bush cut, and the Obama hike. Republicans are fixated on the boom that followed the 1981 tax cut (which had much more to do with monetary policy, but never mind). But they predicted dire effects from the Clinton hike; instead we had a boom that eclipsed Reagan’s. They predicted wonderful things from the Bush tax cuts; instead we got an unimpressive expansion followed by a devastating crash. And they predicted terrible things from the tax rise after Obama’s reelection; instead we got the best job growth since 1999.

And when I say “they predicted”, I especially mean Laffer himself, who has a truly extraordinary record of being wrong at crucial turning points. As Bruce Bartlett pointed out a few years ago, Laffer was even wrong during the Reagan years: he predicted that the Reagan tax hikes of 1982, which partially reversed earlier cuts, would cripple the economy; “morning in America” promptly followed. Oh, and let’s not forget his 2009 warnings about soaring interest rates and inflation. ...<<<

 
Trell

Trell

Audioholic Spartan
@TankTop5:

As for GOP caring about deficits there is this very nice admission, made in 2019, by White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney in the first Trump administration:

>>>"My party is very interested in deficits when there is a Democrat in the White House. The worst thing in the whole world is deficits when Barack Obama was the president. Then Donald Trump became president, and we're a lot less interested as a party," Mulvaney said at the Oxford Union to a group of several hundred people. <<<

 
Mikado463

Mikado463

Audioholic Spartan
Well, we need to tax more to increase revenue. Rather simple. And no, it doesn't stifle anything.
LMAO, if that doesn't sound like the ole Democrat way ! You can't for a minute believe that there isn't plenty of Gov't waste that needs to reeled in, can you ??
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
LMAO, if that doesn't sound like the ole Democrat way ! You can't for a minute believe that there isn't plenty of Gov't waste that needs to reeled in, can you ??
Yes, there are. But the solution is not Musk clearcutting everything without looking for specifics and eliminating or try to eliminate congressionally stood up agenesis.
 
Trell

Trell

Audioholic Spartan
LMAO, if that doesn't sound like the ole Democrat way ! You can't for a minute believe that there isn't plenty of Gov't waste that needs to reeled in, can you ??
So how much "Gov't waste", as a percentage of the Federal budget, do you think there is?
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
Yes, there are. But the solution is not Musk clearcutting everything without looking for specifics and eliminating or try to eliminate congressionally stood up agenesis.
What did Reagan's tax cut do? Triple the national debt? Obviously, it didn't create the revenue that may have been promised. ;)
 
Trell

Trell

Audioholic Spartan
What did Reagan's tax cut do? Triple the national debt? Obviously, it didn't create the revenue that may have been promised. ;)
And there had to be the Democrat Clinton that left a budget surplus, something that the next President Bush squandered in typical Republican fashion. The public debt, as percentage of GDP, sank during Clinton's two terms as well.
 
highfigh

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
Well, we need to tax more to increase revenue. Rather simple. And no, it doesn't stifle anything.
Deepends on what's taxed, how much and if this is a new tax on top of the old.

Cutting costs is a great way to balance a budget the way they were pissing away money is disgusting and offensive- they (both parties) didn't care.
 
highfigh

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
What did Reagan's tax cut do? Triple the national debt? Obviously, it didn't create the revenue that may have been promised. ;)
Do you think anyone should have to pay 70% tax rate?

Tripling the national debt just shows lack of control over spending.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
Do you think anyone should have to pay 70% tax rate?
Do you know who actually paid 70% incremental bracket or even the higher, 92% that was the highest rate?
No, most didn't come close, not even 50%.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
Do you think anyone should have to pay 70% tax rate?

Tripling the national debt just shows lack of control over spending.
No, tripling is due to the tax cut, reduction of revenue, or most of it. Same with Bush 2 cuts, reduction of revenue, and going to war on top of it.
 
highfigh

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
Do you know who actually paid 70% incremental bracket or even the higher, 92% that was the highest rate?
No, most didn't come close, not even 50%.
I'm not saying that what he did worked as stated. The thing about Economics- agreement across the board is damned near impossible unless discussed in the simplest terms.

From the link,

"ERTA lowered the tax rate for top earners from 70 to 50 percent, reduced tax rates across the board by 23 percent (to be phased in over three years), and enacted numerous other changes that reduced individual taxes." and

"In addition to greatly simplifying the tax code (reducing tax shelters and the number of tax brackets), the act lowered the top tax rate for individuals from 50 to 28 percent and lowered the top corporate tax rate from 50 to 35 percent. The legislation also raised the lowest tax rate from 11 to 15 percent, making it the first time in history that the lowest and highest tax rates had been raised and lowered, respectively, at the same time."

 

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