Soundman

Soundman

Audioholic Field Marshall
I'm not sure if this is the place to post this, but here goes:

I believe for many Audioholics, their dream is to have a dedicated listening room. Well, this dream may be finally coming into fruition for me! I recently purchased a piece of property for an excellent price. This Mortgage crisis isn't all bad. (Keep those foreclosures coming! :D) There is some interior and exterior work that needs to be completed first, but once finished, I believe this home has a lot of potential to make this dream come true. This house has 2 bonus rooms (one on the second floor, one on the third) that I believe could be used for this purpose. One is labeled a "Rec Room". The other is just called a "Bonus Room". However, it's not without it's problems. First, the house has been pre-wired, but the wire used looks old and a gauge wire I would never consider. Also, I have no idea how long the wire has been sitting there. Secondly, one of the bonus rooms is not wired. The builder wired the living room, master bedroom, and the rec room, but not this other bonus room. It's a shame it happened that way. It looks like the project started out with a lot of potential. I'll probably have to just rip it out and start over.

I'm still very excited about the possibilities here. Until now, my living room has had to double as a listening room and you know how that goes. It usually is not the most ideal setup, especially considering the WAF. So, this is exciting to me! I may finally get a dedicated listening room!!! I can't wait.
I'm still not exactly sure which direction I want to take this project. I'm debating using either the "Rec Room" or the "Bonus Room" to build this entertainment room. The Rec Room is very large, but the room cannot be closed off. It opens up to the rest of the house. However, the other "Bonus Room" can be closed off, but it is also a little smaller. Both rooms are a good size though. The "Bonus Room" is an odd shape though. It is long, but because it's on the third floor (this is normally where the attic would be), the front and back of the room look a little odd. I still think it has a lot of potential. My goal right now is to have a place dedicated to HT and music. Anyway, just wanted to get some thoughts on this. I want to make sure I don't overlook something and regret it later. Sorry, I don't have pics yet. I can't move in until the work on the house is completed. This is really just preliminary planning. But just felt the need to share this with you guys. :)
 
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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
Speaking from experience...

Go with whichever room sounds best. I tried the dedicated 2-ch recently, and I gave up after a lot of .... well...

Before your head continues to madly fantasize, first walk into the rooms, and start shouting, singing, and clapping. Listen for slap echo, bad response, etc.

I tried the 2ch room, and threw my hands in the air, and threw it all back in the living room. And that was after 300 lbs of acoustic treatments.

As for HT... do it. Who cares about less than ideal response... that's for movies... well, that's how I think about it, even if I enjoy classical music blurays...
 
Soundman

Soundman

Audioholic Field Marshall
Speaking from experience...

Go with whichever room sounds best. I tried the dedicated 2-ch recently, and I gave up after a lot of .... well...

Before your head continues to madly fantasize, first walk into the rooms, and start shouting, singing, and clapping. Listen for slap echo, bad response, etc.

I tried the 2ch room, and threw my hands in the air, and threw it all back in the living room. And that was after 300 lbs of acoustic treatments.

As for HT... do it. Who cares about less than ideal response... that's for movies... well, that's how I think about it, even if I enjoy classical music blurays...
Thanks. I have not tried the clap test for echoes yet. I will say, in my curerent living room, the echo is horrible. I blame the 15 ft walls and windows for this, but there's nothing more that can be done for that room.
 
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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
Thanks. I have not tried the clap test for echoes yet. I will say, in my curerent living room, the echo is horrible. I blame the 15 ft walls and windows for this, but there's nothing more that can be done for that room.
I hear ya. My living room has hard floors, and the BR I tried has carpet. The LR still sounds better. I know, crazy.

I say get the nicest PJ you can afford, put in the biggest screen you can fit, add some recliners... and grin very stupidly. :p
 
Soundman

Soundman

Audioholic Field Marshall
I hear ya. My living room has hard floors, and the BR I tried has carpet. The LR still sounds better. I know, crazy.

I say get the nicest PJ you can afford, put in the biggest screen you can fit, add some recliners... and grin very stupidly. :p
Ha!!!:D Eventually, that's where I'd like to go. Starting out, I'll probably have to settle with my tiny 65" Mitsubishi. Right now I'm focusing on gett the audio right, but I do want to add a front projection system at some point.
 
Soundman

Soundman

Audioholic Field Marshall
I got some dimensions for the 2 rooms I'm considering. The "Rec Room" is 2,432 cu. ft. (but opens into rest of house), the other "Bonus Room" is 2,004.96 cu. ft. (but can be closed off). Both are decent size rooms. I'm leaning slightly toward the "Bonus Room" even though it is a little smaller because it can be closed off and should be able to isolate the sound better and get higher SPL's, but of course overall sound quality is priority and it's to early too tell.
 
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Seriously, I have no life.
Thanks. I have not tried the clap test for echoes yet. I will say, in my curerent living room, the echo is horrible. I blame the 15 ft walls and windows for this, but there's nothing more that can be done for that room.
It's not just the fact that the walls are 15' and you have windows- it's all about proximity and acoustical characteristics. Hard, flat, smooth surfaces reflect. Soft materials absorb. Heavy materials can block some bass from going through. The right percentage of absorptive, reflective and diffusive materials is the key to a good sounding room. Also, eliminating initial reflections makes everything more accurate when it comes to directionality.

I worked for a mid-high end dealer and they signed up for a system called FROX, who basically told them that the store needed a dedicated demo space for the system. It had 7.1 surround, 8 dedicated audio channels, a modified Sony 200 disc CD changer, RGB + separate luminance and chroma video to the industrial Sony projector, software based controls for all switching, levels, EQ and all audio outputs were digital. It even had an RF remote control that could be operated with right or left hand. It was a really cool system and I installed it at the store in late '93. Personally, I think they were a bit ahead of their time. However, as good as it looked, and it really looked great, because the room was all drywall, not very large, had painted acoustical ceiling tiles and had a good sized window, it sounded terrible. It wasn't the electronics, it wasn't the Canton Carat speakers and that kind of problem can't be EQ'd out. It was reflective on five surfaces and when I clapped my hands, the reflections were almost as loud as the original sound and in quick succession, called 'flutter'. I told the owner that there's no way they would sell that $72K system in that room and I explained why, with them checking it out for themselves. I bought Armstrong rigid fiberglass panels and found the spots that caused the initial reflections and covered them with some of the panels. Then, I found where the second reflections were coming from and covered those spots. I added more on each wall, listened as I went and pretty soon, it sounded very good. Imaging was much improved and the SPL could be increased to get a good effect without having objectionable reflections.

The point is, walk through and clap, snap your fingers, bang a pan with a ladle and mostly, listen. If the sound takes a long time to die out, it won't sound good. Cathedrals are supposed to have a longer decay rate because they're really large but when a small room has a long decay rate, it will never make you happy. It can be tamed, though. If you need to keep the sound from escaping from that room through the walls and ceiling, that transmission can be reduced, too.
 
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Seriously, I have no life.
I can't attach it but I have an Excel sheet that calculates room modes. Let me know if you want it.
 
Soundman

Soundman

Audioholic Field Marshall
It's not just the fact that the walls are 15' and you have windows- it's all about proximity and acoustical characteristics. Hard, flat, smooth surfaces reflect. Soft materials absorb. Heavy materials can block some bass from going through. The right percentage of absorptive, reflective and diffusive materials is the key to a good sounding room. Also, eliminating initial reflections makes everything more accurate when it comes to directionality.

I worked for a mid-high end dealer and they signed up for a system called FROX, who basically told them that the store needed a dedicated demo space for the system. It had 7.1 surround, 8 dedicated audio channels, a modified Sony 200 disc CD changer, RGB + separate luminance and chroma video to the industrial Sony projector, software based controls for all switching, levels, EQ and all audio outputs were digital. It even had an RF remote control that could be operated with right or left hand. It was a really cool system and I installed it at the store in late '93. Personally, I think they were a bit ahead of their time. However, as good as it looked, and it really looked great, because the room was all drywall, not very large, had painted acoustical ceiling tiles and had a good sized window, it sounded terrible. It wasn't the electronics, it wasn't the Canton Carat speakers and that kind of problem can't be EQ'd out. It was reflective on five surfaces and when I clapped my hands, the reflections were almost as loud as the original sound and in quick succession, called 'flutter'. I told the owner that there's no way they would sell that $72K system in that room and I explained why, with them checking it out for themselves. I bought Armstrong rigid fiberglass panels and found the spots that caused the initial reflections and covered them with some of the panels. Then, I found where the second reflections were coming from and covered those spots. I added more on each wall, listened as I went and pretty soon, it sounded very good. Imaging was much improved and the SPL could be increased to get a good effect without having objectionable reflections.

The point is, walk through and clap, snap your fingers, bang a pan with a ladle and mostly, listen. If the sound takes a long time to die out, it won't sound good. Cathedrals are supposed to have a longer decay rate because they're really large but when a small room has a long decay rate, it will never make you happy. It can be tamed, though. If you need to keep the sound from escaping from that room through the walls and ceiling, that transmission can be reduced, too.
Very good points. Yes, my current living room has a cathedral/vaulted ceiling type design, so it is a very lively room. of course these surfaces are pretty reflective, windows and walls. It's hard to do allot to them when the walls are so high.....AND STAY MARRIED :)
 
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Seriously, I have no life.
Very good points. Yes, my current living room has a cathedral/vaulted ceiling type design, so it is a very lively room. of course these surfaces are pretty reflective, windows and walls. It's hard to do allot to them when the walls are so high.....AND STAY MARRIED :)
The WAF (Wife Acceptance Factor) can't be denied as having a big influence on what is done, bought and seen.
 

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