The Bill of NON-rights

[Alex2507]

What do numbers have to do with it?

If somebody wears a foil hat as "protection from alien thought-rays", do you respect that? I don't: I think they are stark raving nuts and will tell them so. There is no real difference between that and most religious beliefs.

The significance of numbers is how many people you have offended.
I really don't think there are any foil hat wearers reading this.

Here's a thought experiment. Compare your approach to Davemcc's approach.
Now compare you're chicklets to Dave's chicklets.

Once again, numbers mean something. In this case I believe those numbers indicate that Dave would be bothered if he offended the readership here at AH and people here at AH love Dave.
I say that we should make Dave the next King of Canada. Let's hear it for Dave! Hip hip hooray!

 

[Davemcc]

Once again, numbers mean something. In this case I believe those numbers indicate that Dave would be bothered if he offended the readership here at AH and people here at AH love Dave.
I say that we should make Dave the next King of Canada. Let's hear it for Dave! Hip hip hooray!

Flattery will get you everywhere!

 

[Alex2507]

Flattery will get you everywhere!

You catch more ants with sugar than you do with honey!
I am sofa king we Todd did.

 

[unreal.freak]

Im going to say this about the Gay issue then im done.......
I do believe that homosexuality is immoral, but while i believe that, im not trying to keep any homosexuals from being homosexual. All im saying is that to allow same sex marriage would be one more step to the homosexuals trying to make society believe and accept the behavior. I have worked with 2 different homosexuals, both of witch where great poeple, i didnt agree with their lifestyle, and im sure neither agreed with mine. when we were around each other we treated each other with respect. If i were to go to their home and try to witness to them they would have kindly told me they werent interested. If they came to my home trying to convince me that homosexuality was cool i would have kindly told them i wasnt buying it.


If kids or teachers try and teach religion in public schools there would be trouble. Here is where my biggest concern is....If the library in the schools carry books talking about my 2 momys or my 2 dadys nothing is said or done about it. So what i get out of it, is as long as the idea is liberal "lets put it out there its our right", if the idea is conservative ......"hell no we dont want it, its right wing BS". Im ok with not teaching religion in public schools, i just think that there are a number of other things like Homosexuality should also be forbidden. And another thing, Homosexuality i just the topic in question. I dont want adultery, murder, blasphemy, or any other immoral thing taught to my kid in public schools. Those things get enough air time on TV.


Ive said my Peace,
Tommy

 

[Alex2507]

I have worked with 2 different homosexuals,

Were they hot?

 

[MidnightSensi]

Well man, regardless of difference of opinion, I'd offer ya a beer but all I have is Red Stripe a friend left and ... I gotta say, it's pretty bad beer. I don't even think I'm going to finish it.

Now on the question we have all been burning to ask: What would Jesus say about 2 Girls One Cup?

 

[unreal.freak]

Alex
Both of them are very Manly, only thing is they are women. At work they act just like one of the guys. Cursing telling stories about all the sex, beer, porn, they had over the weekend. Both are seem normal other than the fact they are Homosexual.

Midnight

im at work right now, ill have to get back to you on that. I will tell you this Jesus Befriended a whore in a non sexual way. he didnt care what her past was, he only cared about her future

Peace,
Tommy

 

[Joe Schmoe]

Wow now you are saying Christians ar mentally ill?

There are christians who believe that Jesus was a (mortal) man who died long ago and had some good ideas that can serve as a guideline for the right way to live one's life. They are perfectly sane.

The psychosis kicks in when people start believing such ridiculous notions as resurrection, miracles, rapture, the bible being literally true, etc.

 

[Joe Schmoe]

I do believe that homosexuality is immoral, but while i believe that, im not trying to keep any homosexuals from being homosexual. All im saying is that to allow same sex marriage would be one more step to the homosexuals trying to make society believe and accept the behavior.

Don't you see the hypocrisy in this statement? You are willing to let gays be themselves, but you don't want society as a whole to share that willingness!

 

[Alex2507]

There are christians who believe that Jesus was a (mortal) man who died long ago and had some good ideas that can serve as a guideline for the right way to live one's life. They are perfectly sane.

The psychosis kicks in when people start believing such ridiculous notions as resurrection, miracles, rapture, the bible being literally true, etc.

Where are these Christians that don't believe in resurrection?
Are there any Christians that don't believe in God?
Tell us more about these Christians.

 

[Joe Schmoe]

Where are these Christians that don't believe in resurrection?

I don't know for sure, but I think so. Not all christians are fundamentalist, after all.
There is a pretty simple dichotomy here, though: Either they don't believe in resurrection (and don't believe in miracles, etc.) or they are stark raving nuts!

 

[Alamar]

All im saying is that to allow same sex marriage would be one more step to the homosexuals trying to make society believe and accept the behavior.

Do you believe that the government should give preferrencial treatment to certain types of relationships?? What is the logical basis for this?

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@all: I'm wondering if the following should be my new signature:

"You don't really believe in freedom unless you're willing to allow others to be free"

 

[Alex2507]

I don't know for sure, but I think so. Not all christians are fundamentalist, after all.
There is a pretty simple dichotomy here, though: Either they don't believe in resurrection (and don't believe in miracles, etc.) or they are stark raving nuts!

Maybe you should get a dictionary.

The very next time you refer to people of faith with anything short of the respectful deference you pay to homosexuals I am going to pay Adam $5 to send you into Red Chicklet Hell.

 

[Joe Schmoe]

Do you believe that the government should give preferrencial treatment to certain types of relationships?? What is the logical basis for this?

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@all: I'm wondering if the following should be my new signature:

"You don't really believe in freedom unless you're willing to allow others to be free"

Statements such as that one and "It is a fact that being gay is morally wrong" do not have any logical basis.

 

[jinjuku]

Maybe you should get a dictionary.

The very next time you refer to people of faith with anything short of the respectful deference you pay to homosexuals I am going to pay Adam $5 to send you into Red Chicklet Hell.

Maybe people of faith should be treated the same way they tend to treat gays.

You Know:

The Golden Rule
Practice what you preach
You reap what you sow

Stating things like the immorality of something as fact...

 

[Alex2507]

Maybe people of faith should be treated the same way they tend to treat gays.

You Know:

The Golden Rule
Practice what you preach
You reap what you sow

Stating things like the immorality of something as fact...

You bring up a very good point. Moral and biblical are not the same thing if you're an atheist.

If you only do it at work, does it still mean you're gay?

 

[Alamar]

Statements such as that one and "It is a fact that being gay is morally wrong" do not have any logical basis.

I would still like to hear from unreal.reak on the issue. I would, honestly, like to know / understand the reasoning behind some of his statements.

 

[jamie2112]

I am only gay till its my turn, then I am not


Not that there is anything wrong with that.....

 

[Adam]

...I am going to pay Adam $5 to send you into Red Chicklet Hell.

What am I, a hitman? Save your money...just PM Mazer.


This thread was difficult to get all the way through, mostly just because it was long and I have a short attention span. There was a lot of talk about rights. To quote Wikipedia because I agree with it, "rights are legal or moral entitlements or permissions." To me, rights exist only because people agree to let them exist. Therefore, rights change over time, and they are indeed based on the beliefs of people. I don't think that there is a fundamental set of rights - to life or even to existence. People can claim that there is, but I think that nature disagrees with that on a daily basis. The next cosmic impact that is large enough to cause an extinction level event is going to disagree with them in a big way.

My policy is to respect life - all life, not just human. I don't expect that same philosophy from others, but I do appreciate it.

 

[jinjuku]

What am I, a hitman? Save your money...just PM Mazer.


This thread was difficult to get all the way through, mostly just because it was long and I have a short attention span. There was a lot of talk about rights. To quote Wikipedia because I agree with it, "rights are legal or moral entitlements or permissions." To me, rights exist only because people agree to let them exist. Therefore, rights change over time, and they are indeed based on the beliefs of people. I don't think that there is a fundamental set of rights - to life or even to existence. People can claim that there is, but I think that nature disagrees with that on a daily basis. The next cosmic impact that is large enough to cause an extinction level event is going to disagree with them in a big way.

My policy is to respect life - all life, not just human. I don't expect that same philosophy from others, but I do appreciate it.

Can you agree that some widely held beliefs (which lack of rights were predicated upon) are indeed incorrect? Even if the overwhelming majority hold to said beliefs for whatever internally motivated reasons?

It's funny looking back in the past how rights change as more and more factual information comes to the forefront.