captiankirk28

Full Audioholic
Hi, i was listing to my system and it cut out on me, i just had a question on would that have been my reciver or speakers, i was playing it really loud, if it is the recive i could just get more power to fix that.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Hi, i was listing to my system and it cut out on me, i just had a question on would that have been my reciver or speakers, i was playing it really loud, if it is the recive i could just get more power to fix that.
Did the receiver come back on? Obviously your receiver does not like the load presented by your speakers. Don't repeat that, as you will do it once too often, and melt down an output stage. If you want to run at deafening levels make sure you pick gear that will provide double the power into four ohms as compared to 8.
 

captiankirk28

Full Audioholic
Did the receiver come back on? Obviously your receiver does not like the load presented by your speakers. Don't repeat that, as you will do it once too often, and melt down an output stage. If you want to run at deafening levels make sure you pick gear that will provide double the power into four ohms as compared to 8.
Well it looks like i am going to have to get a new amp.
I was running at 112db to 114db with my SPL meter, my speakers sounded awsome, i love listing like that once and a while.
 

captiankirk28

Full Audioholic
Did the receiver come back on? Obviously your receiver does not like the load presented by your speakers. Don't repeat that, as you will do it once too often, and melt down an output stage. If you want to run at deafening levels make sure you pick gear that will provide double the power into four ohms as compared to 8.
No the reciver did not come back on till i turned it on again.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Well it looks like i am going to have to get a new amp.
I was running at 112db to 114db with my SPL meter, my speakers sounded awsome, i love listing like that once and a while.
Please reserve your hearing aids.
 
Warpdrv

Warpdrv

Audioholic Ninja
You could have possibly popped an internal fuse...

I would open it up and check first before buying another amp...

Could be a $0.50 fix... :)

Those speakers obviously like some power even though the MTS's are relatively effiecient...@ 6ohm along with the MCS. The MBS's are less effecient but are 8ohm.
Its speakers like these that will really give the Receiver Amp section a run for their money... A good dedicated amp is definitely going to help in this situation...
 

captiankirk28

Full Audioholic
My Reciver did come back on, i just had to turn it back on, i thought the Pioneer would have enough power but i guess i will have to get a good amp, and i am going to get a good one with lots of power so this type of thing doesnt happen again. That would have been embarssing if i would have been showing someone my system, i will say though the SVS MTS-01 sounded amazing to me though, i was in a whole different zone, it my sound stupid but it felt like i was really their in the front stage of the concert. (John Fogarty)
 
Warpdrv

Warpdrv

Audioholic Ninja
Hey bro.... Its no big deal.... I can't remember how many times I popped the internal clip protectors on the receivers, they always seem to recover quite nicely....


If your looking to try something new... Not sure what your budget is, but maybe an IceAmp might look good to you... Unlimited power, great / strike that, excellent sonic characteristics..

D-Sonic
is making some amazing multichannel amps....
Here is the AVS Thread
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=855660
Give it a read, its extremely enlightening... :)

I just bought a 2000-5 and completely brought my Paradigm Signatures to life and sound far better then my Pioneer Elite 91's amp section. Much less Shrill....
 
Midcow2

Midcow2

Banned
check speaker connections, but Pioneer not good with load

:D
You could have possibly popped an internal fuse...

I would open it up and check first before buying another amp...

Could be a $0.50 fix... :)

Those speakers obviously like some power even though the MTS's are relatively effiecient...@ 6ohm along with the MCS. The MBS's are less effecient but are 8ohm.
Its speakers like these that will really give the Receiver Amp section a run for their money... A good dedicated amp is definitely going to help in this situation...
I had similar problem with Pioneer Elite VX45 kept tripping when I turned up volume. It is not a blown fuse; OP says it comes back on when he turns power on. Pioneer tech support was not very knowledgeable or helpful. I went back an did checked all speaker connections. When I had last mover my center speaker, I had a stray wire from the twisted connection which was partially shorting. Probably not your case because of the high dB levels; pioneer is not good IMHO at high power levels. Bit , it would not hurt to go back and recheck all speaker connections and add speakers back one at a time. Do you still have the problem with only your front sepakers conencted.

Oh yes, Pioneer said they absolutely do not support Defintive Tech speakers ( I was talking to an idiot) and that they did not support anything other that 8 ohm speakers (again the Pioneer tech I was talking too was clueless). DefTech confirmed that Pioneer was wrong and also said the Marantz I was getting would have not problem , which it doesn't :D

I have played it loud, but probably not 114 dB.

Good Luck.
 
tomd51

tomd51

Audioholic General
I'd done this before back in the day when I was first setting up my dedicated theater. I forgot I used light gauge wires to my surrounds to make sure everything worked and sounded good where they were set up. I got caught up doing some louder than usual listening and the receiver went into protect mode, just like you described (oops :)). Once I remembered about the wiring and replaced it as I initially planned, it was good to go w/out cutting out again.

I will say though, that once I had the opportunity to try running with external amplification, even with just my mains taken off the receiver's internal amps, I was hooked and haven't looked back since in my dedicated theater.

There's lots of solutions, inexpensive and reliable to esoteric and artsy-fartsy amps to choose from. If you're just looking for some extra kick for your mains, something as simple as a Behringer A500 to power your mains would give you some extra headroom for as little as $200. If you've got a bigger budget, you can get a bit more power or even a multi-channel amp if you'd prefer, though the front L/C/R are going to handle the majority of the load, so a two or three channel amp should give you the added headroom you need/want w/out spending an arm and a leg... -TD
 

captiankirk28

Full Audioholic
Well i checked out the ICE Power amps and they look great not very big they said about as big as a National Geographic Mag for the 3ch FL, Cent. FR at 500 watts a speaker. I cant imagian how a amp that small could put out that kind of power, but that is just what i need for the size, and i never watch movies that loud (way above reference) Thank You for the heads up on the ICE:D Alittle pricey though at $1900 for the MAGNUM 1500-3
but if i am going to do it i want to do so i dont have to do it again!
 
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TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
I'd done this before back in the day when I was first setting up my dedicated theater. I forgot I used light gauge wires to my surrounds to make sure everything worked and sounded good where they were set up. I got caught up doing some louder than usual listening and the receiver went into protect mode, just like you described (oops :)). Once I remembered about the wiring and replaced it as I initially planned, it was good to go w/out cutting out again.

I will say though, that once I had the opportunity to try running with external amplification, even with just my mains taken off the receiver's internal amps, I was hooked and haven't looked back since in my dedicated theater.

There's lots of solutions, inexpensive and reliable to esoteric and artsy-fartsy amps to choose from. If you're just looking for some extra kick for your mains, something as simple as a Behringer A500 to power your mains would give you some extra headroom for as little as $200. If you've got a bigger budget, you can get a bit more power or even a multi-channel amp if you'd prefer, though the front L/C/R are going to handle the majority of the load, so a two or three channel amp should give you the added headroom you need/want w/out spending an arm and a leg... -TD
Light gauge wires will not cause this problem, only shorts. You must have had an electric whisker in your hook up.
 
tomd51

tomd51

Audioholic General
That's possible, but IIRC, I think the surround wire I was using 22 awg and it was about a 30+ ft. run. I was able to reproduce it at a relatively high volume, but obviously once I remembered I was using the cheese wire, I didn't take the chance and swapped it out w/14 awg... -TD
 

captiankirk28

Full Audioholic
My surround wires are 12ga and my fronts are 10ga Better Cables, i was just back their the other day and just did a routine wire check and everything was good. Everything is connected with Banana plugs and spade conectors.
 

captiankirk28

Full Audioholic
OH great, playing my system today watching Celine Dion (live in Las Vegas) on blu-ray and now when i turn it up only to-6 it cuts off.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
OH great, playing my system today watching Celine Dion (live in Las Vegas) on blu-ray and now when i turn it up only to-6 it cuts off.
I'm afraid while trying to ruin your hearing you have started breakdown in one or more of the output stages. I recommend you do not use this unit further until it is serviced. If you do, you may well stress the power supply and get an even bigger bill.

If you really must play your rig like that, you need industrial amps. A unit with processor, preamp and multiple power amps crammed into one case, is not intended for pedal to the metal operation. Mind you, I have never held Far Eastern receivers of any stripe in very high regard. They all sail damn close to the wind, and always have.
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
Yea i was going to need them anyway.
You will need hearing aids sooner, and you may eventually end up needing to learn to read lips and learn sign language if you listen at those kinds of levels. Take a look at:

http://www.cdc.gov/elcosh/docs/d0400/d000416/d000416.html

You might also want to consider the fact that you may not be able to listen to music at all when you are older. Typically, hearing damage shows up long after exposure to excessive sounds, so that you will eventually pay for what you are doing to your hearing (unless you are "lucky" enough to die prematurely). So, do you want to be able to listen to music when you are older?
 

captiankirk28

Full Audioholic
Yes know all the risk of going deff but i dont just sit and listen to music like that for long, i protet my ears in everthing i do and at work all day so listing to music with no protection is just my pleasure
 

captiankirk28

Full Audioholic
:DYes know all the risk of going deff but i dont just sit and listen to music like that for long, i protet my ears in everthing i do and at work all day so listing to music with no protection is just my pleasure
 

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