
Trell
Audioholic Spartan
As long as it transfer money to my account I'm not that picky about semanticsI think you mean synergistic interactions...![]()
As long as it transfer money to my account I'm not that picky about semanticsI think you mean synergistic interactions...![]()
I was thinking the same thing. Get some real tests done by an independent third party and be done with it.Even if this were to happen, why not do the test at a site not owned by Ted Douchy?. Just bring his magic 30k cables to a neutral test site and get honest results
A performance car and a cable aren't even in the same universe.I have a slightly different take on this.
First let me say, I believe once you get to a rather low quality threshold things like speaker cables, interconnects and power conditioners will have little to no impact on the sound of a system.
Having said that, I do not believe a crime is committed without coercion or fraud. I also believe in personal responsibility. If I have the money and I believe the marketing hype about the McLaren F1, and it makes me happy, then I should buy it. McLaren should be able to make it, and I should be able to buy it at whatever price they can get from my bank account.
Now if McLaren is lying demonstrably about technical specifications while trying to sell me the vehicle, then that would be a crime. So is Synergistics demonstrably lying (fraud) about their products? BS marketing weasel words do not count. I am not qualified to tell. If they are, or they are in some way coercing people to buy their products that is a crime. Anything else is just wealth redistribution.
Lying about performance benefits and taking advantage of placebo and confirmation bias falls under the fraud category for me. It's deceptive practice. Gene has shown demonstrably that the claimed benefits of some of these cables are not there in measurements, and in fact some are actually worse than regular ol' ofc copper of appropriate gauge. I don't think it's much different from psychics, essential oils and divine healers. If it's not illegal it should be.I have a slightly different take on this.
First let me say, I believe once you get to a rather low quality threshold things like speaker cables, interconnects and power conditioners will have little to no impact on the sound of a system.
Having said that, I do not believe a crime is committed without coercion or fraud. I also believe in personal responsibility. If I have the money and I believe the marketing hype about the McLaren F1, and it makes me happy, then I should buy it. McLaren should be able to make it, and I should be able to buy it at whatever price they can get from my bank account.
Now if McLaren is lying demonstrably about technical specifications while trying to sell me the vehicle, then that would be a crime. So is Synergistics demonstrably lying (fraud) about their products? BS marketing weasel words do not count. I am not qualified to tell. If they are, or they are in some way coercing people to buy their products that is a crime. Anything else is just wealth redistribution.
Now that's a car analogy that works!Trying to equate cables to cars is super flawed. Touting the "performance benefits" of a speaker cable is like saying this gas pedal gives you more performance for your car. You'd be better off comparing cars to speakers, where you're paying for performance and looks, and there is a point of diminishing returns to each.
Forget that, Synergistic is releasing new battery cables... they make your car run chocolaty smooth and will boost Horsepower, but you will not be able to measure it on a race track, but it sounds good.Now that's a car analogy that works!
So fraud is okay in audio? Or business if you don't have to get your own hands dirty or get paid to not care?I guess my point is I dislike throwing around the term "crime." I also think protecting people from them self is at best a thankless task.
I've run a business for 37 years and would never engage in these practices. Additionally since my business is consulting I have had the opportunity to see deceptive practices many times over the years. I dislike the people and businesses who engage in them. Synergistic seems to be particularly egregious in their marketing "fluff."
On the other hand audio is generally considered a discretionary activity & purchase not a necessity. I would take a much harder line if the products being sold were either a necessity or they were of such substandard quality as to be dangerous.
I wonder just how many suckers there are out there buying overpriced, criminally over priced cables?To be clear Ted has been on a constant crusade of harassing and obsessive behavior with me since I had COVID-19. I documented my entire experience about this here:
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Synergistic Research Cables Company Review
Synergistic Research is a company specializing in scam cables and audio tweaks based on pseudoscience like Foundation. Ted Denney publicly mocked my COVID-19 situation and threatened Audioholics.www.audioholics.com
The same day he issued this "challenge" he had his lawyer issue a cease and desist for me to remove the forum thread related to this article within 48 hours or he would take legal action.
If it is fraud, then he should be prosecuted. If it is legal marketing hype, then education, which is what Gene is trying to do, may be the only option.So fraud is okay in audio? Or business if you don't have to get your own hands dirty or get paid to not care?
Yes it does have legal challenges but Thed is still a fraud with fraudulent products with outrageous claims. In some countries they can at least attack the claims. Our FTC is nowhere near that capable let alone interested or funded. It's a snake oil salesman's paradise, tho.If it is fraud, then he should be prosecuted. If it is legal marketing hype, then education, which is what Gene is trying to do, may be the only option.
To prosecute, a victim is needed. Most people who buy the product either believe in the product, or are too embarrassed to admit they made a mistake. If you know someone willing to be a victim, see if they can send the payment or the product via USPS, preferably across state lines.
I am very much against fraud in all its forms, but I also try to avoid wasting energy on things where I cannot affect the outcome.
I remember reading about this a while back. His actions and behavior are those of a shyster.To be clear Ted has been on a constant crusade of harassing and obsessive behavior with me since I had COVID-19. I documented my entire experience about this here:
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Synergistic Research Cables Company Review
Synergistic Research is a company specializing in scam cables and audio tweaks based on pseudoscience like Foundation. Ted Denney publicly mocked my COVID-19 situation and threatened Audioholics.www.audioholics.com
The same day he issued this "challenge" he had his lawyer issue a cease and desist for me to remove the forum thread related to this article within 48 hours or he would take legal action.
I'm not worried about the rich being taxed more, they never do. They always find a way around paying more in taxes.After all isn't that how most of the "Wealthy" got that way in the first place by ripping the rich and poor ones off. They just pass it on down to ole John Q. In this country it's called Capitalist. But don't worry so much about taxies being raised on the 1%er's. Ole Biden is already working on his old way of same ole same ole.
If this were true, they wouldn't be paying their congress people so much to fight taxes.I'm not worried about the rich being taxed more, they never do. They always find a way around paying more in taxes.
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disagree, if he's able to sell a cable for 30k I call it pure genius.......Straight to hell also for selling a cable 30 grand.
now there we agree !I call his customers absolute suckers as well. Suckers with lots of money but suckers just the same.