SVS SBS-01 Bookshelves/Center

Buckeyefan 1

Buckeyefan 1

Audioholic Ninja
Brand new speakers from SVS!

"these world-class Small Bookshelf Speakers (that's what "SBS" stands for) come perfectly styled to mate with that undisputed $430 subwoofer champion of the world (the PB10-ISD of course)."

Here's the info.

http://www.svsubwoofers.com/news.htm
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
FINALLY!! Been waiting for those for almost a year...:) Man, I may have to buy a pair just to try them out...:D
 
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soundsfine

Audioholic
It's too bad they didn't make it into the RLA shootout.
 
Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
So let me guess.... powerful bass down to 20hz at +/- 1 dB :rolleyes:

Cool, looks sweet. I bet they are built like bricks.

Sheep
 
mulester7

mulester7

Audioholic Samurai
Sheep said:
I know, I was just joking.

Can't get anything buy you J :)

Sheep
.....Sheep, you're ok, Buddy....some have made a science of their system, some haven't much....you have, it shows, and you give some good comments....we need to continue on, in the quest of sound quality, imo.....
 
Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
mulester7 said:
.....Sheep, you're ok, Buddy....some have made a science of their system, some haven't much....you have, it shows, and you give some good comments....we need to continue on, in the quest of sound quality, imo.....
Thanks buddy :)

Sheep
 
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Ron Temple

Senior Audioholic
Ron Stimpson said:
Edster,

Yes, a few have singled that spec out. Our intent was to make great sounding speakers, power is cheap today. There's no question these are not the most sensitive speakers in the world (or even this price class) but the point is, we just don't think it really matters in a day when 100WPC receivers are common as rain (even if their "all-channel-driven" mode is less than half that; as is often the case).

A sensitive speaker is just a loud speaker, it says nothing about how it sounds (other than loud for a given setting on your amp's master volume control. Bump your master volume a bit to the right and presto, efficiency is a non-issue).

Testers here have run this 5.1 set with uber-expensive middle-weight amps, middle of the road receivers into the 120WPC class, and typical mass brand entry level receivers (as many people will use with a speaker set in this price range). A slim line, inexpensive, all-in-one combo receiver is having no problems at virtually full reference levels as I type this (in the other room ;^). Call me Mr. Beta Tester. Someone has to do it.

As most probably realize, if you are running all speakers as "small" (with a normal 80hz crossover) and a dedicated subwoofer (as we will invariably recommend), there is virtually no receiver/amp that's not capable of driving you out of your music room or home theater with clean power... even if with "only" sensitivity in the mid-80's.

In short, power handling, balance ... and that difficult to quantify "sound quality" quotient were primay design goals since practically speaking, "sensitivity" is virtually irrelevant today from our perspective. As long as mass-market receivers can run this system to enthusiast SPLs, with accuracy and linearity maintained, that's all we felt was important.

Guys wanting monster sound from full range speakers and perhaps low powered tube amps will seek a totally different product of course.

Ron
SVS
and previously...
Thanks for the feedback guys, even if some of it is Greek to me ;^)

Indeed the decision to go after an entry level product first, rather than a "halo" product was intentional and really fits our company legacy if you know our history. Of course, there are pros/cons for either approach (high end, entry level or heck even a line smack dab in the middle of the "good, better, best" product array). I can say this based on our experience, it is far more difficult to create a very good affordable speaker that makes you a few $$... then one that's fairly expensive. We'll never know for sure, but it's not like we didn't imagine that often from a business perspective.

We did instead the hard thing first, though again, there were days when we considered the opposite. Frankly selling more speakers to more people for whom "$1,000 is almost real money" is professionally more satisfying to more of us at SVS than first servicing the relative few in the high end market (hey, guys with lots of disposable income are "people too" but there's just not as many of them). You could easily have done it the other way around, but one writer already pointed out we essentially did the same thing with subwoofers over the course of 6 years.

The PB10-ISD was not our first subwoofer, but the early Cylinder Series (passive) and then "Powered Cylinders" were for all intents and purposes entry level lines, even today. From those basic products I think it's safe to say we trickled "up" from into a mid/high-end price point fairly well. We're still not in the "cost-no-object" realm though, so maybe there's still room for expansion.

Regardless, you don't wake up one morning and decide to re-direct a company product line. The die was cast on this nearly two years ago and we've been pounding away at it ever since (and there's still more that will show this effort when pre-orders finally start).

We're not under any illusions about being all things to all people. Just like there are loyal customers that would buy brown paper bags with our logo on them... there will always be a couple detractors that wouldn't take that bag if it had the cure for cancer inside... for free. Even if they had cancer. It's just the way things are (no matter what you sell) it's just human nature.

The vast bulk of this tough demographic (and there is NONE tougher than those that would spend $1,000 on a 5.1 system IMO) will rightly wait and see as early sets trickle out to reviewers and customers (one got to hear them in my own HT recently). They'll wait and see if we watered down our reputation for quality, they'll wait and see if we can apply objective testing and fanatical R/D to an affordable product that isn't a subwoofer. They might even wait to hear some. That's all good. Nobody has to take our word on anything.

Frankly we'd be the same way. We buy gear, most of us affordable gear where price IS an issue. Other speakers will roll out upmarket as we're confident that the style/price/performance targets are met.

It's a different sort of product from the same team that's been doing subwoofers for quite some time now, that's all. Speakers in general ARE harder than subs, much more subjective, much more competition. There's a reason we established the brand where objective results are more valued, and a less crowded playing field were obvious. There are, and will continue to be lots of great choices in this price point for speakers and sub/sat combo's. Now there are more good choices, it's really about that simple. There's certainly every intent to deliver on the promise of speakers worthy of our brand. You don't work like we have, this long, to then fire out junk. (Well I suppose you can show examples of companies that have done that, lost their way to to speak. I don't think there's any reason to believe that's about to happen at SVS.)

Thanks for the consideration here, positive and critical. You don't grow and get better only by paying attention to glowing reviews. AVS is always a good place to see a bit of everything. And both "fanboys" and "trolls" are a natural part of the landscape. We wouldn't have it any other way.

Cheers,

Ron
SVS
 
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Tex-amp

Senior Audioholic
Any idea if they are acoustic suspension or ported? I'm fine with 85dB from an acoustic suspension design.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
If you look at the pics, they are clearly acoustic suspension. No port, at least on the satellites.

I'll go with Mule's line of thinking on this one, a lower sensitivity speaker means you can pump a little more juice into that thing and get great results. Those people who think they are benefitting by running Klipsch speakers becasue they will still play with a lower powered receiver are completely wrong...running less sensitive speakers with more power is the way to go, right Mule?

85dB sensitivity wasn't a choice, it was the result of their design to achive the sound they wanted.
 
mulester7

mulester7

Audioholic Samurai
j_garcia said:
running less sensitive speakers with more power is the way to go, right Mule?.
.....JGarcia, I honestly feel that is the best potential for what I call, "3-D Sound Quality"....(just made that up, boys, haha).....

.....I'll bet the SVS system here is very good with about 200 watts everywhere....they had many components to choose from, with every sensitivity possible under the sun....I really suspect this is a sorta' entry-level system of speakers that is killer....we need a report.....
 
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Tex-amp

Senior Audioholic
j_garcia said:
If you look at the pics, they are clearly acoustic suspension. No port, at least on the satellites.

Thanks. SVS has put up more pictures, the rear shot wasn't up earlier in the week.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
Some more info from Ron at SVS

(Well, we'll see, it's not like we're doing QC just yet).

Sadly the set I had here for a quick photo session has to go back to Ohio to serve as a reference set till we can peel a few units off from main production in about a week. Talk to Warren, he got a chance to listen to them a few days ago, the only person outside SVS to do so so far.

Mike,

Well of course folks have found out our dirty little secret. Our subs and now speakers have long been fed a steady diet of music too and never ever would see the light of day if they weren't as "musical" as anything on the market. Fact is, for subwoofers, music is easy. Very low stress on a good sub generally. For midrange and up though, music is THE way to make sure your speakers are working right.

While we've pounded the SBS-01 set relentlessly with movies, I'd say more time has been spent with all manner of music on them during the protracted checkout period of the design. Bach, Beasties, Beatles, White Stripes, Miles Davis (thanks to Warren), Beck, Rufus Wainwright, and just for good measure Metallica (since their top sound man is an SVS owner).

People might sometimes forget that most the owners of SVS were building/breaking speakers of some sort before some around here were even IN Pampers. Sure it was just out of love for sound (and truth be told, a lack of funds) back then. No shock then, some of us go back to LP's, tube amps, and (gasp) "HiFi Mono" in some cases. My father had one of the first full "Quad" systems (complete with four channel phono cartridge) and I managed to blow up (and secretly repair) the woofers on the speakers he bought specifically for that rig. (OK, this is where some wise-guy says "hey, I have a collection of 78's here you whippersnapper!" To which someone else will claim to have "cut his teeth on Edison cylinders"... but I digress ;^).

So to say we're picky about music is an understatement (not sure any of us have ever accused each other of being "audiophiles" per se, we know each other too well) . Oddly enough, the development of the SBS-01 system over the last year had me hauling out cases of CD's and just switching things to "Stereo" for the first time in a long time. While I always ran the test set I had in synch with the PB10-ISD (and an 80hz crossover in the receiver), I was pleasantly reminded just how amazing plain old "two channel" can sound.

Now, where's that box with the Denon turntable, LP's and old Adcom pre-amp I have??? ;^)

People will probably more often buy the SBS-01 for full surround sound systems, and mostly watch movies on them. But when it came to what we poured into them (besides a lot of sweat, and enough custom parts to build FedEx a new air-terminal) music we haven't dusted off in years became the steady diet used to refine these.

Ron
SVS
And that's the sort of thing that makes me really interested in picking a pair up. :D
 
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Ron Temple

Senior Audioholic
Impressions

Here's the first review ...

Tweakophyte said:
Okay... As Ron said I stopped by this place to pick up something and the next thing you know 2.5 hours went by as I listened to the new SVS HT speakers. Lucky me, I happened to have my demo stuff with me in the car!

I will try to describe my listening experience. The first picture is where I heard them. The room has two rows of those futons, and some room behind for a nice walkway and some subs. I sat in the second row for most of my listening.

The fit and finish of these speakers are solid. Ron likes to point out there are no seams... because there are no seams... just nice clean lines. People may criticize the black, but I would rather have something understated than to have wood-colored stickers on my speakers. (In fact, since the cat shred the speaker socks on my mains I have been running them nekkid... similar black finish). There is no worry you might mis-handle these speakers expose the wood underneath the skin. The binding posts look heavy-duty.

The master volume on the Denon 3805 was typically set from -10db to 0db. We watched all of the movies at 0db. I'll assume that 0db is reference level.

In my opinion, classic jazz from the 50s and 60s is one of the best ways to test a speaker set-up. There are a few features I listen for. First, the tracks I listen to have great walking bass lines. When the bass is featured, you can hear the performance around the cross-over of the system as the bass-line walks up and down it. I listen for holes, bass-overhang, and presence, as well as articulation. When the rest of the band is playing, I make sure I can still hear the bass. Next, I listen for the sizzle and airiness of the high-hat and ride cymbals. Finally, the horns fill in the rest of the audio spectrum. I like to hear the imaging and smooth sound.

In particular, I like to use Miles Davis "Kind of Blue" and John Coltrane "Giants steps. The imaging on these speakers were great. "So What" feature Paul Chambers' bass talking, and the band answering. It really builds up before they get to the improve section. Every instrument was well-imaged and cleanly represented. On these old recordings there are a few notes Coltrane's sax put out that can fry a system and sound shrill... (I'd imagine the note is falling somewhere around a typical cross-over point and is tending to push the smaller speaker). These speakers did not flinch. Did I mention we had the system CRANKED? I had the same experience with "Giant Steps", "Spiral", "Blue in Green", etc. Solid imaging, smooth response... no instrument in the way of any other.

Another favorite piece of demo material I like to use is Dead can Dance "Into the Labyrinth". The track I use is "Yulunga (spirit dance)". (Before I go any further, no, I am not a hippy or a beatnik... I love Rock and Rap... these demo items make it easy to identify speakers' weaknesses.) This track really tests the dynamics and imaging of a speaker. There are a ton of instruments ranging from deep strings, to erie reeds, to haunting chants... and a BIG drum. (feel free to name all of the instruments if you know them.) I swear the front stage is divided into 9 discrete, imaging spots. The track builds up over 2 1/2 minutes, adding tension before the big drum kicks in and signals the arrival of all of the instruments. These SVS speakers passed this image torture test with flying colors. There are also a few "shrill" and "distortion" tests that can break cheaper speakers. Again, solid imaging, smooth response... no instrument in the way of any other.

Next we put in the Blue Man Group. This is the first time I had heard this disc... and the really Big Drum! We listened to this with the MV at reference level. We really wanted to pop these sealed speakers. When material is cranked this loud I like to listen for compression. That did not happen. These speakers maintained their composure nicely, and showed their dynamic range.

Now to movies... all at reference levels... Let me note the rear channels were not the SVS speaker. It was a direct-fire speaker of which I do not know the brand.

Master and Commander won an award for the sound... and these speakers showed why. We watched the opening scene (about 15 minutes long). Even with all of the cannon fire and carnage, the center channel kept the dialog clean. Russel Crowe kept his commanding tone. This scene can be tough to handle because of all of the effects and panning. If you remember, before his ship is fired on Captain Jack's 6th sense kicks in. We hear a very subtle sound (over the sounds of the sea) signaling him to look through the 'scope on more time. If your speakers are stressed, you will miss it. The SVS speaker showed their grace and played the sound cleanly and clearly. The active panning was really neat to listen to. I really liked this center speaker and it matches well with the mains.
(We used the DD track.)

We also listened to the Intro to Toy Story 2, and the Monsters Inc. trailer. I loved the way the narrator (I forget his name) sounded on the MI trailer... again, this center speaker is well done. Whereas the M&C has a lot of active panning in a realistic sense, he TS2 intro has a lot of panning in an animated sense... if I don't make sense... TS2 has exaggerated panning, which is neat to listen to, while M&C has subtle, but well-separated panning. Anyway, the speakers sounded great, with clicks and clacks popping out of the right spots. "To infinity and beyond" was never lost in the shuffle.

As I said, we listened to a lot of material over 2 1/2 hours. My ears were not fatigued in any way. I may be repeating myself (as I am not a writer)... solid imaging, smooth response, passed the "shrill test", matched well with the sub, clean, crisp sound, well-done center... this package is great! I am glad the 5.1 set was not available a few years ago because my wife would have not let me spend as much as I have.

I've been typing all morning... feel free to ask any questions and I will try to answer them. I did not stop by to listen to these speakers... and I am glad I got to hear them. For those of you questioning why SVS chose this "entry-level" product as their entrance into non-sub speakers, you've got to hear them. There's gonna be some competition in this segement... and retail has nothing on these speakers!
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=597107
 
Rob Babcock

Rob Babcock

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At first blush it looks like you get a lot for your $1,000. If it sounds as good as it looks (and given their rep for subs, I imagine bass & dynamics will be stellar) then it should be a big hit.
 

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