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milby58

Audiophyte
Hello. I have a Sunfire Cinema Grand Signature amp, And a Sunfire Theater Grand Proccesor II. I'm looking for a proccesor that has some of the features found on the Denon AVR 3805. What i'm looking for is the many frequency adjustments [ EQ ] that can be made for each channel. The sunfire processor is very clean but Lacks the punch that i would like. When useing my Yamaha C-70 Pre amp with the sunfire amp the room is full of very punchy sound. My front speakers are Legacy Focus. Any sugestions for a punchy and adjustable proccessor would be very helpful. Thanks, Jeff....
 
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RLA

Audioholic Chief
Hi
You may want to take a look at the Lexicon MC-8 or MC-12 Pre/Pro
It has all the features you want and more
 
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O'Shag

Junior Audioholic
How about the TAG McLaren AVR32R. Peerless engineering, superb performance. Definitely one of the very best HT processors on the market. - Same people as Ron Dennis' McLaren F1 team. You can guess at the level of engineering put into the product. Very strong reviews, and highly desirable product.

Don't quote me on this - but I believe it also makes cups of tea... :D

Check em out at www.tagmclaren.com.

Cheers

O'Shag

Austin Powers of Audio
 
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av_phile

Senior Audioholic
I think "punchiness" is more an attribute of the power amp and speakers. But your candidated for a separate AV processor are excellent choices. You could get the Denon receiver you have in mind. Just use their pre-amp out to mate with your favourite power amps.
 
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milby58

Audiophyte
Thanks for the replies. Time to check out some pieces.
 
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AudioJohn

Audiophyte
A Focus Fan

Several Years ago I was able to spend some time with Bill Dudleston on his road tour. One of the points we discussed was about my Focus speakers and the best way to drive them. I have three power amps of Bob Carver's older Carver line and a Carver CT-27V preamp. Bill strongly recommended removal of the binding post jumpers and biamp the two sections. It was not intuitive to me that each Focus speaker would be happier with two smaller rated power amps driving into two 8-ohm loads, rather than a lot larger single power amp driving into a 4-ohm load.

As you know, the Focus is very efficient (98dB @2.83V/1m) and has a fine sound with 100 watts into 4 ohms and even better with 450 watts. But it does get better with more power and more power amps.

I was surprised at the improvement biamping made. After some trial and error tests... I'm currently running 250 amps to the 12" bottom drivers and 360 amps to the upper section. You may think about a test run using 4 of your Sunfire power amp channels connected to your Focus speakers. If you have 450 watts a channel you won't be able to push the amps very hard, unless you have a very week source signal, but I bet you will notice an improvement with percussion and other fast transients.

Best of luck with your new AV Processor. Would enjoy hearing about what you select.
 
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Jack N

Full Audioholic
"I think "punchiness" is more an attribute of the power amp and speakers." For what it's worth, I agree with this 100%. I think this statement actually identifies two separate contributors to what is basically a lack of dynamic response. The first one identifies the amp. I've been told that dynamic response is the most difficult thing for an amp to reproduce. The amps' power supply and capacitors are huge limiting factors. That's why I deliberately stayed away from using a single multi-channel amp for my system - the power supply, or "supplies" if the unit has 2, and the caps are too susceptible to being overworked during complex passages (strictly my "opinion" as I don't have the analytical equipment to verify this). I use multiple amps in my system to increase the number of power supplies and caps. The other item that was identified were the speakers. I'm not familiar with the particular models that you're using but I've found that more often than not it's more a factor of placement (timing of the arrival of sound waves to the ear) and room acoustics. Because each listening environment is unique, there aren't any set answers to this problem. All I can suggest is to very carefully visualize where the sound waves are going from each idividual driver in each speaker. IE: Which ones are direct shots and which ones are being deflected or reflected first (timing) as in the case of any speaker other than uni-directional (IE: subs, di-poles, bi-poles, side fire, etc). Don't forget to follow the path until the wave becomes "dead" or absorbed because errant sound waves can cancel, distort, or delay newly generated waves. Also keep in mind the shape of the sound wave that is being generated by each driver - IE: Is it bowl shaped, conical, etc. and how are the external fringes of the waves being reflected or absorbed, and how are they interfering with the other sound waves.
 
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