subwoofers driving me crazy!!!!!

[07vetteguy]

Good Morning all, I am new to this forum, glad to meet everyone!

To make a long story short, we moved into a new house, and although it is nicer and bigger than our previous house, it took my home theater room away
so I have incorporated as much of my home theater as I could in our new living room,

I'm assuming that my subwoofers don't sound or feel as good as I'm use to because the couch that's my main listening area is almost in the middle of the room, the chairs that are close to the wall the bass is so strong you really don't want to sit there, but at the couch which is the best viewing and sonically best seat in the house, the subs have to be cranked up to get any decent feel, is there any way to help this??

I added a Buttkicker LFE, with a Crown 1502 amp which runs through a dbx speaker management center,
which is good shakes the whole house up nicely, I mounted it in my crawl space from the floor joist's, I'm very happy with its performance, I just am use to more output from my subs.... any way to get better response from my seat in the middle of the room?

** My Current setup is....

Marantz 7702mkii pre amp
Rotel 1095 200x5
Rotel 1080 200x2
Klipsch THX ultra 2 .... 3 - 650's front center surround - 2 - 525's surround
Klipsch Reference Atmos Enabled speakers that sit on top of the 650's
DBX drive rack PA2
Crown 1502 1500x1 into a Butt Kicker LFE
Epson 5030ub 1080p/3d
Eilite Screen 135inch electric
55inch Samsung 4k
Samsung ubd-k8500 4k player
Everything runs through a Pure AV Power Conditioner center
Everything is Hooked Up XLR cables from monoprice
Speaker Wire and Hdmi are mixed Monster and Audio Quest .... "i got suckered in monster, never again"

I Ran the Audyssey setup including the Sub Depth eq setup, and even though it sounds ok... I still feel I am missing a lot from my location... can this be fixed???

Thanks for reading my lonnnnnnng post!!!!
Good day to everyone

I'm going to try to upload some pictures

 

[mtrycrafts]

Good Morning all, I am new to this forum, glad to meet everyone!

To make a long story short, we moved into a new house, and although it is nicer and bigger than our previous house, it took my home theater room away
so I have incorporated as much of my home theater as I could in our new living room,

I'm assuming that my subwoofers don't sound or feel as good as I'm use to because the couch that's my main listening area is almost in the middle of the room, the chairs that are close to the wall the bass is so strong you really don't want to sit there, but at the couch which is the best viewing and sonically best seat in the house, the subs have to be cranked up to get any decent feel, is there any way to help this??

I added a Buttkicker LFE, with a Crown 1502 amp which runs through a dbx speaker management center,
which is good shakes the whole house up nicely, I mounted it in my crawl space from the floor joist's, I'm very happy with its performance, I just am use to more output from my subs.... any way to get better response from my seat in the middle of the room?

** My Current setup is....

Marantz 7702mkii pre amp
Rotel 1095 200x5
Rotel 1080 200x2
Klipsch THX ultra 2 .... 3 - 650's front center surround - 2 - 525's surround
Klipsch Reference Atmos Enabled speakers that sit on top of the 650's
DBX drive rack PA2
Crown 1502 1500x1 into a Butt Kicker LFE
Epson 5030ub 1080p/3d
Eilite Screen 135inch electric
55inch Samsung 4k
Samsung ubd-k8500 4k player
Everything runs through a Pure AV Power Conditioner center
Everything is Hooked Up XLR cables from monoprice
Speaker Wire and Hdmi are mixed Monster and Audio Quest .... "i got suckered in monster, never again"

I Ran the Audyssey setup including the Sub Depth eq setup, and even though it sounds ok... I still feel I am missing a lot from my location... can this be fixed???

Thanks for reading my lonnnnnnng post!!!!
Good day to everyone

I'm going to try to upload some pictures

I missed your sub, what is it?
Try moving it to a different position so the center seating gets more impact.
How large is the space?

 

[tyhjaarpa]

Did you do the sub crawl to find the best position for your sub?

 

[07vetteguy]

Hey guys thanks for the replies,

I'm using 2 of the klipsch thx120's
And a svs pb13

The subwoofer crawl put the subs in very bad spots, and with losing my dedicated home theater I'm very limited on space

I know, not ideal situation

 

[shadyJ]

You have all of this equipment, but do you have any in-room measurements?

 

[07vetteguy]

I don't have any rew measurements

I've been trying to load some pictures of my room, but it keeps saying that the pictures to big....

My room is anout 12 feet wide by 20 feet long

I thought the marantz would do everything for me as of measurements

 

[07vetteguy]

Also I'm just getting all this setup we just moved in....

Thanks for your time guys

 

[shadyJ]

You need some measurements. The Marantz definitely will not take care of everything as far as frequency response goes. Audyssey can only do so much. No one can really help you unless they can see what the problem is first. My guess is you have some kind of null in your listening position.

 

[07vetteguy]

Ok I will do some REW work and get back, I'm sure I'm in a null... I was curious on how to move it, do bass traps help with that at all?

 

[cel4145]

Another option is to move a sub or two nearfield of the listening position. If you can't run sub wires but do have access to electrical outlets, you can use this:

http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/OAW4.html

 

[shadyJ]

To get rid of the null, you have to either move your listening position or move a subwoofer. You have to also make sure the subs are in the best phase for each other. You need to run some measurements to see what is going on. You can't even be sure you have fixed the problem until you do some before and after measurements.

 

[everettT]

A pb13 is a capable sub . As mentioned measurements and sub relocation is probably needed.

 

[moves]

So question... how do you get measurements and how do you read them?

 

[shadyJ]

So question... how do you get measurements and how do you read them?

You asking the OP that or are you asking for an answer to that personally?

 

[moves]

You asking the OP that or are you asking for an answer to that personally?

Anyone! What is the best way to calibrate your system besides what comes with the Air i.e. Adussey (SP) or MCAAC fro Pioneer.

 

[shadyJ]

Anyone! What is the best way to calibrate your system besides what comes with the Air i.e. Adussey (SP) or MCAAC fro Pioneer.

You will want some kind of equalization system. MiniDSP and the Umik microphone look to be a easy and relatively affordable combination. It can easily give you a better response than Audyssey or MCACC in bass frequencies, especially when you are dealing with multiple subs.

 

[moves]

You will want some kind of equalization system. MiniDSP and the Umik microphone look to be a easy and relatively affordable combination. It can easily give you a better response than Audyssey or MCACC in bass frequencies, especially when you are dealing with multiple subs.

Thanks! So you just hook that up and it spits out some graphs? How does it actually work?

 

[shadyJ]

You hook up the Umik to a laptop computer. You run some sweeps with REW to see what is going on first. Then you use REW to configure the MiniDSP to get the response you want. There are a bunch of tutorials, and instructions on both the MiniDSP and REW websites. There is also some on your tube. Gene wrote a good article earlier this year on the hows and whys of using MiniDSP and REW to correct your bass.

 

[moves]

You hook up the Umik to a laptop computer. You run some sweeps with REW to see what is going on first. Then you use REW to configure the MiniDSP to get the response you want. There are a bunch of tutorials, and instructions on both the MiniDSP and REW websites. There is also some on your tube. Gene wrote a good article earlier this year on the hows and whys of using MiniDSP and REW to correct your bass.

Would it correct bass from subwoofers only or would it also tweak the woofer in the loudspeaker?

 

[shadyJ]

MiniDSP systems can tweak any aspect of the sound if you set it up correctly. To affect the bass from the speaker, you would have to place the MiniDSP in a loopback signal in the AVR, assuming your AVR has that capability. Or you would have to put the MiniDSP in the signal path in front of the AVR.