Subwoofer Recommendations for a 2,500 cubic foot living room? (Monolith/HSU/SVS... 12" vs 15")

ryanosaur

ryanosaur

Audioholic Overlord
Awww, Shady... That might've been the first subwoofer review I ever read from you. <3
The main difference, I suppose, is that is down-firing. Any pros or cons to that engineering choice?
Very little changes... I've seen arguments made about front-firing having more impact... I've seen comments made about having a carpeted and padded floor being the first contact with LF soundwaves perhaps having a negative impact... *shrugs
I have no complaints.
Yes, I am an owner. I am not interested in creating other X-13 owners. ;) It is a very good sub, as are all the others discussed previously.
For me, my choice was based on a couple things. First, I've only had a down-firing sub, and kind of like the idea of not having an exposed cone. I've known some previous Outlaw owners, all of whom have enjoyed their experience. The aesthetics and size worked for me. They put the X-13s on sale for $1K, ea, shipped, during the Black Friday sale and BOOM I ordered 2 (and they repeated that pricing for the X-mas/NewYears sale (which is when I bought my 2200s from them!)).
Claridy, an audio design specialist helped design the X-13, as well as the Monolith line.
I'm already on record her, saying I would order X-13s again. Yes I am still curious about other products. And as mentioned before (and had been pointed out to me many times), you can't really go wrong at this level of Sub.
Hsu = Value
SVS = Customer Satisfaction (the previously mentioned customer bill of rights policy they have, as well as the markup to pay for that)
Outlaw, Rythmic, Monolith, PSA (and HSU)... all seem to roll the dice on the fact that they have a solid product which you won't have any complaints about
One other note: Of everything I've heard discussed about subs and the visceral impact of a good subwoofer: this is a Mid-Bass phenomena, starting IIRC at about 60Hz. Hsu may be the strongest contender for this. (I do not claim experience here.) When it comes to infrasonics, I personally was chasing the Pipe Organ Low-C at 16Hz. I may very well have left something on the table.
Even though I can't hear below say 23 or 22Hz, I can feel it. My subs will shake the house like an earthquake without making an audible (to me) pitch. But there is this "chest-thump' that comes from that mid-bass which I can't say I experience.
One last note: When I set up my subs in my ~2000'3 room, I set the gain at 50%... and pressed play. Wow. within 5 minutes, my ears went numb. Not listening fatigue like I got from KEF speakers, but just this weird numbness. I generally find that my subs are best between 1/4 and 1/3 gain in my room. Each sub will react differently, but at this size and level, you are in for a treat. You will hear and feel things in a different way. Shady introduced me to some music through the Subwoofer Candy thread that I absolutely fell in love with BECAUSE of the infrasonics and how they make my body feel. But listening to that is different than listening to Jazz, for example. Subs too me, are like espresso: every day is an adventure! Some days, my espresso wants a finer grind, just like my Subs want a finer tuning with some music. Other days, its all out, just like the trim on my Subs. (Yes, that's a nerdy example, but its true... jazz bass should not vibrate your @$$ like a movie or some electronica does.)

Long story short: Enjoy! ;) Once you decide what will work best in your space and for your aesthetics, you are in for some good times!
 
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OTLJosh

Enthusiast
Since you’re really splitting hairs, I say choose the subs that look best to you, so even if there’s some possibility it’s not “the best”, you won’t care because you’ll enjoy looking at them every day.
 
Landmonster

Landmonster

Audioholic
Ok. Thanks guys


I will probably lean towards dual HSU vtf15 mk2s. For about $2100 shipped, they seem like alot of performance.


Either that route.... or I could go higher end and start with a single SVS or JTR sub for about $2000, and add one more later... If that has more merit.

My current room is 15*16, but if the Subs are high quality enough, I would hope to use them for years to come. In the future, my next house will hopefully come with a media room.

I don't know what the lifespan of one of these subs are, but that would be another consideration.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
Ok. Thanks guys


I will probably lean towards dual HSU vtf15 mk2s. For about $2100 shipped, they seem like alot of performance.


Either that route.... or I could go higher end and start with a single SVS or JTR sub for about $2000, and add one more later... If that has more merit.

My current room is 15*16, but if the Subs are high quality enough, I would hope to use them for years to come. In the future, my next house will hopefully come with a media room.

I don't know what the lifespan of one of these subs are, but that would be another consideration.
The box should last a very long time, the driver a bit less so unless abused and probably the amp less than that just cause the nature of plate amps. I'd expect all of the choices discussed to be keepers in any case.
 
Landmonster

Landmonster

Audioholic
AFter more research, I am becoming more interested in Rythmik subs with their servo technology. They offer a nice piano black finish, as well.


Can anyone tell me how dual HSU Vtf-15s would compare to dual Rhytmik FV15hp subs?
 
Landmonster

Landmonster

Audioholic
AFter more research, I am becoming more interested in Rythmik subs with their servo technology. They offer a nice piano black finish, as well.


Can anyone tell me how dual HSU Vtf-15s would compare to dual Rhytmik FV15hp subs?

Bump on this question? Those seem to be my 2 favorite options, thus far. I will be ordering something in the next month or 2 hopefully.
 
ryanosaur

ryanosaur

Audioholic Overlord
Don’t have comparative experience to offer any help here. Rythmik was high on my list, too. Very intrigued by their offerings! You may be able to find some info over at Data Bass.
 
Pogre

Pogre

Audioholic Slumlord
I didn't read all of the replies here yet so it may have been mentioned, but just in case. you said your room is open to the kitchen? If so you're pressurizing more than 2500 cubic feet. I'm open to my kitchen as well and I had to account for the larger area when making my decision.
 
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shadyJ

Speaker of the House
Staff member
Bump on this question? Those seem to be my 2 favorite options, thus far. I will be ordering something in the next month or 2 hopefully.
For the cost of two FV15HPs, you could get three VTF-3 mk5s, and that would have a serious performance advantage over either two FV15HPs or VTF15h mk2s.
 
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snakeeyes

Audioholic Ninja
I like both options but I would save money and go with the HSU dual VTF15.
 
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