Stupidest class of my life

[avaserfi]

So, how did you find yourself signed up for a "Social Inequality" class?
Were all other classes full?
What's your opinion, as to how your classmates are dealing with the class?
Are they slowly buying into socialism?
The reason I ask; during my college years, the general consciences of many classmates, unfortunately being.
"They wouldn't be teaching it in college if it wasn't true"

I signed up because I have a triple degree being done in four years which has me end up with 20+ credits a semester - this class applied to all three degrees and thus saves me tons of time so I took it.

Some of the students who don't seem to read about the world on their own fall for it far more than the informed students who keep up with the news. I think the uninformed fall in line with your quote, but the class does have quiet a few free thinkers which is refreshing.

I fail to see the objection. Michael Moore makes great, educational movies. If more people had paid attention to him, we would not be stuck with the absolute worst president who has ever disgraced the oval office.
(Oh, and the only problem with Hilary is that she is getting old like the rest of us. She was sexy when she was young.)

- Thats the same as a hardcore conservative saying Ann Coulter could fix the country, complete rubbish.

 

[jinjuku]

A few comments:

Bush has been a horrible president. While none (dems or rep's) have ever been perfect, it is safe to say Bush has done the most damage since JFK and by continuation, LBJ.

Reagan for the most part kicked some ***. I am saying this being a Dem on most points.

As for Micheal Moore, You can say what ever you want about him regarding Sicko, but you need to really disprove what he is saying to do so. Mr. Moore did a ton of corroborated and easily verified research. There is nothing that you are going to find that you can factually disagree with. Please give him credit where credit is due. He is allowed his spin on the facts. I don't happen to disagree much with Sicko.

I am the only member making it in my immediate family. It has to do with my want and love of learning and being self motivated. My brothers are not well off. They have kids, not married, work sporadically and when they do, not paid well. Society nor 'the man' has anything to do with their current situation that they couldn't improve for themselves. What I can say is that it is a cycle, it's a learned behavior. One that somewhere some one needs to break. If you follow my family history back you will see it is always the same.

This cycle won't repeat with my children. I don't know how I managed an escape velocity growing up the way that I did. But it is doable and no one has their boot on my neck.

As to 'Social Justice'. It is in part a Utopian idea. But there is also headway to make in the way race and class of people are treated. I agree with the general idea that a rising tide lifts all ships. I don't agree that by me being a White, educated male, that I am somehow at fault. I know a few social justice 'crusaders' around the Umich campus. They are the most polarizing and ineffectual people that I know of. If I could toss them off a bridge and get away with it, I would seriously give it some thought. They view white guys as demon spawn (funny, I think of them the same way).

There are people of dis-enfranchised groups that really believe that Caucasians, especially males, as a collective group should feel "White Guilt" about what has happened in the past to other non-majority groups.

 

[Joe Schmoe]

- Thats the same as a hardcore conservative saying Ann Coulter could fix the country, complete rubbish.

That analogy makes no sense at all. How do 1) agreeing with Michael Moore, including his scathing indictments of Bush 2) pointing out that Bush sucks or 3) pointing out that Hilary was pretty cute once have any connection to claiming that a particular person could fix the country?

 

[avaserfi]

That analogy makes no sense at all. How do 1) agreeing with Michael Moore, including his scathing indictments of Bush 2) pointing out that Bush sucks or 3) pointing out that Hilary was pretty cute once have any connection to claiming that a particular person could fix the country?

I quoted too much, I was just referring to the statement that Moore is educational. Would it be better if I said her books are educational instead ? All I was saying is that they are both fallacious points. Bush being one of the worst presidents of all time isn't though .

This country does not need more people who are far left or far right we need reason and people like Moore and Coulter cannot bring that. Just because you subscribe to their view points doesn't make them educational or insightful propaganda is propaganda no matter how polished it seems.

 

[STRONGBADF1]

Hi avaserfi,

College professors are just that professors. Its' the students job to understand their point of view and display this in various assignments and tests. In most math classes there is little to no argument (2+2=4) but in other subjects opinion and theories come into play more often. My point is that students don't have to agree with their opinions just understand them. (you seem to already understand this)

Learning other points of view is important. Know how your opponent thinks and you'll be better prepared to compete/negotiate/debate with them.

You professor is no different than many people in that she has a very strong stance and nothing will change her mind. Right or wrong it's disappointing not to be able to have an open two way intelligent dialog.

On the political topic I agree with you that too much far left and far right just isn't good.

Sometimes I wish we could figure out a system that parties didn't exist. Just "every person for themselves" on each issue. No having to tow the party line. That and more term limits.

Here's too that class being over soon,
SBF1

 

[Buckeye_Nut]

Get ready for a fun rant -

I am currently in a "Social Inequality" class which has been extremely skewed against anyone who is well off, at all, as in if you aren't lower middle class or less you are part of the problem. I have dealt with the the extreme slant and just "learned" what the teacher wanted to get an A.

Wow....amazing story. Our "Liberal Indoctrination-U" education system is truly a huge disgrace. The unfortunate reality is that if your teacher ever leaves, your school of choice will no doubt gladly interview plenty of Ward Churchill's to replace her

 

[markw]

Ain't dat da troot!

Wow....amazing story. Our "Liberal Indoctrination-U" education system is truly a huge disgrace. The unfortunate reality is that if your teacher ever leaves, your school of choice will no doubt gladly interview plenty of Ward Churchill's to replace her

What's funny is that academia allows the left to spew forth unabated but heaven forbid someone mention religion or a conservative view.

They have job fairs but don't want to allow the military to set up stands when they accept federal funding.

 

[Buckeye_Nut]

What's funny is that academia allows the left to spew forth unabated but heave forbid someone mention religion or a conservative view.

They have job fairs but don't want to allow the military to set up stands when they accept federal funding.

Yea......they're all about "Free Speech", but only if it advances the liberal cause.

....anything to the contrary must be attacked and silenced



To Avaserfi....
You should call into national talk radio shows..... this sounds like a big enough story and soooo blatent......it might warrant and get national attention I see definite potential for this story.......

 

[Joe Schmoe]

Yea......they're all about "Free Speech", but only if it advances the liberal cause.

....anything to the contrary must be attacked and silenced

That is because the liberal cause includes everything that is good.

 

[markw]

That is because the liberal cause includes everything that is good.

I can't believe you said hat with a straight face.

 

[Buckeye_Nut]

That is because the liberal cause includes everything that is good.

Maybe...

if you're a commie slacker seeking more extensive govt handouts

 

[Joe Schmoe]

Maybe...

if you're a commie slacker seeking more extensive govt handouts

The government could give handouts from now until the heat death of the universe for less than that right-wing POS in the White House has wasted on his private oil war already.

 

[Rickster71]

Michael Moore makes great, educational movies. If more people had paid attention to him, we would not be stuck with the absolute worst president who has ever disgraced the oval office.

If more people paid attention to him, they would know he's a hypocrite!

He bashed HMO's and drug companies in his movie "Sicko"
While at the same time owned stock in Pharmacia Corp. and, Tenet Healthcare.

The year Moore made the movie "Stupid White Men" he owned over $380,000
worth of stock and bonds.
Though he claims in the above mentioned movie, he doesn't own any stock.

Some of the Evil American Corporations Mr. Moore has owned stock in:
Halliburton, Sunoco, Boeing, Honeywell, General Electric, McDonald's and
Transocean Sedco Forex (the world's largest offshore drilling company)
That is quite a portfolio for a man who claims that he has no portfolio and does not consider capitalism okay "on any level"

 

[jinjuku]

If more people paid attention to him, they would know he's a hypocrite!

He bashed HMO's and drug companies in his movie "Sicko"
While at the same time owned stock in Pharmacia Corp. and, Tenet Healthcare.

The year Moore made the movie "Stupid White Men" he owned over $380,000
worth of stock and bonds.
Though he claims in the above mentioned movie, he doesn't own any stock.

Some of the Evil American Corporations Mr. Moore has owned stock in:
Halliburton, Sunoco, Boeing, Honeywell, General Electric, McDonald's and
Transocean Sedco Forex (the world's largest offshore drilling company)
That is quite a portfolio for a man who claims that he has no portfolio and does not consider capitalism okay "on any level"

Where is this documented?

 

[Rickster71]

Where is this documented?

IRS public tax records.

 

[jinjuku]

Ok, let me rephrase:

Some one said Mr. Moore said one thing, then did another. Where is there a resource that someone has put together that validates/corroborates this?

I could care less about his investments vs someone saying that he said one thing and did the complete opposite. At least at the sicko website all the data is there to verify what he had to say in the movie.

 

[markw]

Got Google?

Try "Michael Moore+stock holdings"

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/12/1/90607.shtml

Since this link (and the aformentioned book) is over two years old, I would have expected some legal action for slander, or at least a plausable denal, had it been false.

BTW, here's the book, As you can see, it's still available.

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/results.asp?WRD=Do+As+I+Say+(Not+As+I+Do):+Profiles+in+Liberal+Hypocrisy&z=y

 

[highfihoney]

Michael Moore is a big fat greasy lard a$$,i live in the state where he got started & saw him around town twice,he is even fatter in person.

Stupid movies made by a person only interested in sensationalism, which is fine,what i dont like is that he acts as if everybody who dont agree with his whacked out ideas is a fool.

It wont be long before he chokes on a hot dog & needs to use an HMO.

 

[stratman]

The government could give handouts from now until the heat death of the universe for less than that right-wing POS in the White House has wasted on his private oil war already.

Bitter, bitter.

 

[Tomorrow]

Bitter, bitter.

He's young. Give him time. Years from now he'll look back on his posts and he'll get the same feeling as looking at pictures of himself, butt-naked on a rug at 6 months old.