Still on fence: Pioneer VSX-1020 or Onkyo TX-SR608?

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iumma

Audiophyte
Hey all, I had a second question to get the overall feeling of the board on which they think is the better of the two for the money. I am really on the fence over these two models, especially after reading the reviews on this site, which seems to give the nod to the Pioneer in terms of options. I can see that alot of people are Onkyo devotees on these boards, and know that many audiophiles consider this brand a step above others. I have been out of the game a few years, and am just refamiliarizing myself with receiver tech, so any help or unbiased opinions are appreciated. Thanks.
 
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dalessandro12

Audioholic
Hey all, I had a second question to get the overall feeling of the board on which they think is the better of the two for the money. I am really on the fence over these two models, especially after reading the reviews on this site, which seems to give the nod to the Pioneer in terms of options. I can see that alot of people are Onkyo devotees on these boards, and know that many audiophiles consider this brand a step above others. I have been out of the game a few years, and am just refamiliarizing myself with receiver tech, so any help or unbiased opinions are appreciated. Thanks.
I'm sorta where you are but with the lower end models. Originally, I was looking at the Pioneer 820 but after hearing that the Pioneers output isn't that great, I started looking at models from Denon and Onkyo. I like the Denon 591, but it isn't out yet so now I am leaning toward the Onkyo 508.

Onkyo seems to put out more power and have from what I read a "cleaner" sound. One thing that sold me on the Onkyo series is that they have passthrough HDMI, so any components hooked up via HDMI can still play audio through your TV if you don't want to have the receiver on. On the other hand, I like that the lower end Pioneer models support the optional Bluetooth adapter, which would be nice to wirelessly play music from an iPod or iPhone.

All and all, I would rather have a system that can put out the power that I need so I have moved away from the Pioneer. I think I am ordering the Onkyo today.
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Slumlord
With Onkyo/Marantz your amp watt count will be much closer to specified by manufacturer, than Pioneer (non-elite models)
Final selection has to take into account your speakers as their impedance and efficiency will affect your choices.
For best value checkout certified refub receivers a accessories4less.com if you don't require latest and the greatest features (aka HDMI 1.4 etc...) - Their 1 year warranty is identical to 1 year warranty by original manufacturer.
 
sholling

sholling

Audioholic Ninja
With Onkyo/Marantz your amp watt count will be much closer to specified by manufacturer, than Pioneer (non-elite models)
Final selection has to take into account your speakers as their impedance and efficiency will affect your choices.
For best value checkout certified refub receivers a accessories4less.com if you don't require latest and the greatest features (aka HDMI 1.4 etc...) - Their 1 year warranty is identical to 1 year warranty by original manufacturer.
+1 what he said.
 
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m2rogers

Audiophyte
I have the Onkyo TX-SR608 receiver and love it. The Pioneer does have more connections for various devices such as Bluetooth, USB, and i-Phone but the Onkyo has an advantage in power output and quality of sound, at least to my ear. The Onkyo does have a universal port and a VGA/DVI connector so with an adapter you can hook up to USB or a PC. The Onkyo has front panel connectors for HDMI and standard audio and video so hooking up a camera or a camcorder is easy. Plus the Onkyo is THX Certified and I don't know if the Pioneer is. That means your THX games or DVD's will play on the Onkyo in true THX-EX sound. One comment about an earlier post concerning throughput of HDMI when the receiver is off. That is possible with the Onkyo -- I'm not sure about the Pioneer. But understand that you must enable the RIHD (Remote Interactive over HDMI) feature on the Onkyo to have passthrough possible and then the passthrough is only possible with other RIHD compatible devices (TV's, DVD Players, Etc) and many still being sold are not RIHD compatible. There is a list of RIHD compatible devices on Onkyo's web site. If the Pioneer offers HDMI passthrough it would be the same situation as to my knowledge there is no receiver at any price capable of passing through HDMI signals when the receiver is off without the RIHD capability. If you do enable this feature you should be aware that the receiver will draw more power even when in stand-by. I have heard it is 35 watts. One last comment about the Onkyo 608 and you would have to find out if this is true for the Pioneer as well. The latest and greatest sound from Dolby EX, THX-EX, and other formats is only possible wthe true effects if the receiver is configured in a 7.1 speaker setup. If you use 5.1 you must use the "Surround" speaker connection terminals for your rear or side speakers rather than the "Rear Surround" connection terminals. Unless you have rear speakers hooked up to the "Rear Surround" connection terminals in a 7.1 setup you will not hear Dolby-EX or THX-EX or DTS-MS. You can still hear THX and Dolby sound output in a 5.1 configuration but it will not be the latest versions (THX-EX, Dolby- EX, DTS-MS and so forth). Many of the latest receivers have this same requirement so the Onkyo is not unique but if you plan to use a 5.1 setup and want to hear the latest and greatest sounds as listed above you should be aware of this and check out the Pioneer or any other receiver as to whether the same restriction applies. Also, if you can, I would listen to both receivers with the same speakers before you buy to be sure you choose the receiver you like best. Best way is buy both receivers from the same store that has liberal return policies. Hook both up to your actual speakers rather than the speakers in the store and see which sounds best in your room with your other equipment, keep the best one and return the other. Time consuming but worth it because you will be listening to the receiver you ultimately choose for quite a while most likely. Good luck with your choice.
 
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dalessandro12

Audioholic
you must enable the RIHD (Remote Interactive over HDMI) feature on the Onkyo to have passthrough possible and then the passthrough is only possible with other RIHD compatible devices (TV's, DVD Players, Etc) and many still being sold are not RIHD compatible.
Way to kill my buzz m2rogers! Jk, but that does suck. Either way, the only time I really need to have audio without the receiver is from the TV, so I should be ok.
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Slumlord
HDMI Passive pass-thru is feature less required by most people - to be able to listed to tv audio on TV speaker OR main system.
This feature could be base on choosing AVR, but in my book - somewhat towards the end on the list of requirements/needs/wants.

Btw: Enabling Remote Interactive over HDMI feature on most Onkyo models will spike it's stand-by power requirements to about 60-70W vs regular 1-3 watts.
 
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dalessandro12

Audioholic
Yeah it isn't a must have for me and I'm trying to save on my electricity bill, so I'm already over it.

Although not THX certified, I'm going to pick up the 508 model.
 
sholling

sholling

Audioholic Ninja
One thing that I won't do without is Audyssey Dynamic Volume. I hate it when a commercial comes on so loud it blows out windows. ;) DV equalizes the volume between the TV show and the commercial.
 
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dalessandro12

Audioholic
One thing that I won't do without is Audyssey Dynamic Volume. I hate it when a commercial comes on so loud it blows out windows. ;) DV equalizes the volume between the TV show and the commercial.
Well I pulled the trigger on the 508 and had to double check this, but it does have DV.
 
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rnatalli

Audioholic Ninja
I like the Onkyo for two reasons. I prefer Audyssey to MCACC and Onkyo's do better on the bench than the non-Elite Pioneer receivers. I would also look at Denon as their entire line including the budget receivers use Audyssey MultEQ over the 2EQ found on the 608.
 

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