Stereo mix to center channel and crossovers

[Tarek]

My question is when a stereo source is mixed to dolby surround or dts neural does it use your center speaker crossover for the vocals that were mixed from the stereo source or are the crossovers all from the left and right speakers or is it speaker specific and will never change, always wondered and I'm assuming the latter

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

It uses the CC speaker XO.

 

[Tarek]

Thank you kindly

 

[Tarek]

I'm assuming this is for your subwoofer also crossing over with center speaker for stereo mixed to surround dialogue?

 

[lovinthehd]

The crossover is that point/frequency where the two filters (a low pass filter for the sub and the high pass filter for the speaker) literally "crossover" between sub and speaker for that channel/speaker that you set in the avr. Has nothing to do with any upmixer. Sometimes a visual can help:

 

[Tarek]

Thanks for the reply.
I'm aware of what a crossover is it's just that I have my center set to 90 and all my satelite speakers 120, on stereo source content deep voices boom through the high end response of my woofer, and through true 5.1 or atmos content it doesn't so to my understanding its crossing over from the stereo source with the woofer then mixing it to center which it shouldn't be.
I've tried using audyssey multi eq editor app to gradually lower the subs output at these frequency but still is noticeable and annoying, audyssey wanted my crossovers set at 150 but I don't like these high levels of bass too loud it sounds cheap imo.
I have denon avr-x3600h I don't think I'm wrong as can very easily notice the difference and don't want to set my crossovers on satellites back to 100hz as apparently It not blending so well like this? Any help or suggestions would be amazing thanks

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

Why not raise the cc XO up a little bit?

 

[Leemix]

You dont have LFE + Main set instead of just LFE?
All speakers set to small?
Did the auto setup run work well with no speaker/sub volume set to +/-12dB?

 

[Tarek]

Yeah worked all good, technically I should have the center set higher your correct but then I have the sub trying to boom deep vocals again and sounds a bit un natural as I do like to have my bass set higher by a few dB, yes I've flattened my sub woofer eq , maybe it's time to invest in surround speakers with a better frequency response then I can keep my crossovers nice and low , audyssey was actually really good within 1 dB on all speakers with my spl meter for now I've lowered the front and center crossovers just to not get the deep voice boom from my sub on certain content and honestly everything sounds awesome just certain content from normal TV usually this happens atmos is sweet best upgrade I've ever done

 

[Tarek]

And no lfe+main, all speakers small and lfe at 110

 

[Leemix]

Is your sub in a corner or something making it boomy?

 

[Tarek]

It is close to the corner, not directly in it, there's a good 1ft from the right wall, on another note i've done an experiment and indeed even though a stereo source is mixed to the center channel it does crossover the woofer from the front L & R channels! I found content on YouTube with deep vocals then cranked my woofer, I adjusted crossover on front channels to 40hz and no boom, I then turned crossovers to 180hz and wow loads of boom. This is valuable information for denon x3600h as dialogue is mixed to center channel on this video, my solution will be deeper front speakers and 80hz crossover for the fronts!

 

[Tarek]

It is close to the corner, not directly in it, there's a good 1ft from the right wall, on another note i've done an experiment and indeed even though a stereo source is mixed to the center channel it does crossover the woofer from the front L & R channels! I found content on YouTube with deep vocals then cranked my woofer, I adjusted crossover on front channels to 40hz and no boom, I then turned crossovers to 180hz and wow loads of boom. This is valuable information for denon x3600h as dialogue is mixed to center channel on this video, my solution will be deeper front speakers and 80hz crossover for the fronts!

So basically stereo content will use your front L&R crossover for the whole audio track then mix it to descreet channels!

 

[Tarek]

Mind you this was with dolby surround setting, havn't tested it on dts neural x

 

[lovinthehd]

I think the various sound modes/upmixers work differently but they are frequency range based afaik but they're not in control of your avr.