Steely Dan Rocks. All ye in or out of favor, post.

jaxvon

jaxvon

Audioholic Ninja
The more I listen, the more I realize that Steely Dan is one of the best "rock" bands ever to grace the globe. While they didn't completely change the rock sound (like the Beatles), their musicianship and lyrics far outclass anything I've come across. Listen to the chord changes on songs like "Your Gold Teeth II" and you can hear some heavy jazz at work.

Blah. I can't type enough good. If you DON'T listen to Steely Dan, I fear there may be something wrong with you.
 
gene

gene

Audioholics Master Chief
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If you DON'T listen to Steely Dan, I fear there may be something wrong with you.
I couldn't agree with you more!

The more I listen, the more I realize that Steely Dan is one of the best "rock" bands ever to grace the globe.
I disagree. I think they were one of the best Jazz/Rock bands to grace the globe. Think about it:
Steve Gadd, Larry Carlton, Lee Ritenour - all of these guys are tremendous jazz musicians. They added lumps to jazz which is refreshing in todays lame smooth jazz world.

I can't tell you how many 6 packs I downed to the Royal Scam, Aja and others. What cooler music is there for parties and boat rides?

Steely Dan is just plain COOL!
 
Francious70

Francious70

Senior Audioholic
Enh, I don't listen to them. My dad likes them tho, but they're a little before my time. And by a little, I mean a lot.

Paul
 
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Hawkeye

Full Audioholic
Francious70 said:
Enh, I don't listen to them. My dad likes them tho, but they're a little before my time. And by a little, I mean a lot.
I guess I never considered their music in terms of being new or old, but quite timeless. Think about it, do they sound like typical '70s or '80s or '90s? I think it plays just as well today as it did 20 years ago. And in DVD_A or SACD, it plays even better.
 
gene

gene

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I think it plays just as well today as it did 20 years ago.

Agreed. The test of any good music is if it can hold up with time. Steely Dan is a prime example it does. Very few bands from that era did b/c of their overuse of processed keyboard sounds (IE. ELP).

BTW, Steely Dan was before my time too since I was just a child when their stuff came out, but it matters not. Thats like saying you can't listen to classical music since most of it came out 200 years ago :)
 
Francious70

Francious70

Senior Audioholic
All to true, me saying that I don't listen to Steely Dan because they're to old is like saying that I don't listen to the Eagles or ELO (both of which I love) because they're before my time.

I guess a better statement would be I've never been exposed to their music because most people my age tend not to listen to jazz (I love Bela Fleck) or older music.

Paul
 
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nocondorfx

Enthusiast
They are way before my time, but because my dad is anobessed belong to the fanclub and everything type fan, some of it brushed off onto me. I listen to Aja every once in awhile to study. And they do have a pretty cool, unique sound.
 
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outsider

Audioholic
jaxvon said:
If you DON'T listen to Steely Dan, I fear there may be something wrong with you.
I can't recall ever listening to Steely Dan, but I am interested. Which albums do you recommend?
 
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slmcdonald7

Junior Audioholic
outsider said:
I can't recall ever listening to Steely Dan, but I am interested. Which albums do you recommend?
Pretzel Logic :cool:
It is without a doubt, one of the finest albums any band has ever recorded.

Really though, you can't go wrong with anything by Steely Dan. Give them a listen, I have never introduced them to anyone who didn't like them.
 
gene

gene

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Don't forget Donald Fagen solos stuff like "Nightfly". If you're foot aint tapping to that, there is something wrong :)
 
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Hawkeye

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outsider said:
I can't recall ever listening to Steely Dan, but I am interested. Which albums do you recommend?
You can't go wrong with any of them really. I recently picked up the Gaucho DVD-A and they took an outstanding cd and made it sound even better. And I'll second Donald Fagan's solo stuff as well.
I saw them perform at an outdoor venue while promoting the Two Against Nature cd. Simply stunning.
 
jaxvon

jaxvon

Audioholic Ninja
Damn straight. I'd say that each album is a different view on the musical ability of the Fagen and Becker. Each one has its own flavor that is definitely Steely Dan, but still unique.

Can't Buy a Thrill: Not as hi-fi, but still good stuff. More rock with some jazz influences.

Countdown to Ecstasy: Cool mix of Latin, Jazz, and rock. My Old School is probably my favorite tune from the album, but they're ALL good.

Pretzel Logic: To me, it sounds older than Ecstasy, almost like it should've come before it. That said, it's god more bluesy goodness as well as the standard Dan stuff.

Katy Lied: A great album. Bad Sneakers, Dr. Wu, and Your Gold Teeth II are the favorites here. But that's mostly just because I'm a huge piano fan (I play some too). Michael Omartian and that big ol' Bosendorfer sound absolutely wonderful.

Royal Scam: Probably the 'hardest' of all the Steely Dan albums. There's a very dark tone to the whole album. The songs explore controversies of the day and do so well.

Aja: By far the most popular Steely Dan album. Probably my favorite as well (look at my icon), but I've also done more listening with it than any other Dan album. All 7 of the tracks are superlative.

Gaucho: A very laid-back album. It has a very mechanical feel to it, but this is because of the use of a drum machine on most of the tracks. Still, it's great stuff.

Stuff I haven't listened to (shame!): The Nightfly, Kamakiriad (sp?), and Eleven Tracks of Whack.

Two Against Nature: Not enough listening to pass judgement. But from my listening so far, it feels like it's missing something that the classic albums had.

Everything Must Go: Not as good as the classic albums, but still VERY good. Great sound quality as well as some good tracks (Green Book, Godwhacker, Pixeleen are my favorites).


Something that I really don't like in these two later albums is the way Fagen's voice is REALLY up front in the mix. In the older stuff, his voice is burried a little more so it mingles more with the rest of the sounds. This makes the harmonies sound even more complex (at least that's what I hear).

So there you go. You really can't go wrong with any of the albums. Everything from Katy Lied on up are benchmarks of recording quality and mixing excellence (their engineers have won Grammys). I don't want to play favorites with albums. The best advice I can give is that you acquire all of the old albums from the 70s (and 1980).


Francious70 said:
Enh, I don't listen to them. My dad likes them tho, but they're a little before my time. And by a little, I mean a lot.
That's no excuse. I'm just a 17-year old college student, and I've been listening to them for years. Granted, my head was constantly being filled with old music and jazz by my dad and his CD collection, but still.


For me, there's something 'magical' about Steely Dan and their music. I can listen to newer music for awhile (such as Maroon 5), but it gets tiresome. I can literally sit down and listen to Steely Dan all day. There's so much more to hear in the tunes. As a jazz pianist (not anything to scream about, mind you), I'm absolutely astounded by the kind of stuff they throw into their songs. You try giving the chord changes from Aja, Doctor Wu, or My Gold Teeth II to some average band member from a pop group. They'll be lost. Fagen and Becker will throw in Mu Major chords (their name for a major triad with an added second) in place of a nomral major chord for a minor flavor change that helps to define their sound. So I guess what makes Steely Dan what they are would be the combination of musical complexity, first-rate musicianship, state-of-the-art recording, and just plain creativity (in eveything).


Well, that's a long, rambling post. But damn. I can't stress enough how 'audiophiles' (and everyone else) should listen to Steely Dan.
 
Rob Babcock

Rob Babcock

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The last two are also very good, especially if you're into MC music. The DVD-A mixes is mindblowing, and they're among the best sounding MC discs I've heard. Ditto for the DVD-A release of The Nightfly.

You might want to look into the Steely Dan box set; all remastered with all their tracks from back in the day.
 
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Unregistered

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If you've never heard Steely Dan, a good introduction is 'A Decade of Steely Dan'. It's a greatest hits disc and includes all of their hits (at least the well-known 'mainstream' hits that made radio in their day).
 
Dan

Dan

Audioholic Chief
I guess I'm a little older than most of you here (43). At the time their stuff came out the competition seemed pretty weak and they got a ton of airplay. I got heartily sick of them then, when I was a teenager a still building the basics of my collection. They did use excellent recording technique which stands up very well. Now I find that after 25-30 years I can enjoy them like I couldn't then. I wish they would release more on SACD or DVD-A as I bet they would do a good job at it. I never liked ELO or the Eagles who got WAY too much airplay back in the day. Few things send me to change the dial faster than the Eagles to this day. But I like the James Gang and the Joe Walsh solo stuff which stikes me as strange. Still if you like that stuff, you should probably try out the original Little Feat from the seventies. They never got the airplay but their music was far more interesting. Individually and collectively none of the above could play as well. Well, Steely Dan could but only in a studio. The Dan never toured. The Feat released one of the greatest live albums of all time Waiting for Columbus which I was lucky enough to be at one of those nights in '77.
 
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Polkfan

Audioholic
Count me in as a big fan. Their music is in a class of its own. Like Gene said, Jazz/Rock. But they are truly a talented group of musicains.
 
jaxvon

jaxvon

Audioholic Ninja
Ditto on the Little Feet. Sailin' Shoes is a great old album. They have more cajun influences, but still musically great.

I've seen both Steely Dan and Little Feet in concert and both are really great to hear live.

I haven't done any multi-channel listening to Steely Dan, basically because I don't have a MC system to do it with, although I am aware of Everything Must Go getting some really nice reviews.
 
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nm2285

Senior Audioholic
I'm a 19 year old college student and fell onto Steely Dan without the help of the parents. They really suck you in on their own.

Another great accomplishment of theirs is not just their uniqueness of sound, but their ability to make each song individual and its own. None of their songs sound alike even though they've written/performed a ton.

They're music truly does not sound new/old. It's just killer.
 
JoeE SP9

JoeE SP9

Senior Audioholic
I have been listening to The Nightfly on vinyl for years. It still sounds fresh and new. All of Steely Dan gets frequent rotation here. Kamakeriad to my ears is just so so. :cool:
 
Rip Van Woofer

Rip Van Woofer

Audioholic General
Their lyrics are also first-rate; acidly witty and sly at their best.

Like the guy said, they were played to death on radio in the 70s and it was all to easy then to get tired of them and take them for granted.
 
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