Star Wars soundtrack true or false?

[Dolby CP-200]

LOL, Who are these jokers who’ve just said on the HTF radio, and having myself a an ear too notice the little details between true and false what is true representation of the soundtrack? Well we have the laserdiscs the early laserdiscs that prove all this and how in the world could George Lucas possibly try and fool us into believing these where in fact, in fact the originals when clearly they weren’t!

I believe the original 70mm prints the ones with six-track Dolby Stereo soundtrack are in existence and this is just a cover up a way of pretending to say they no longer exist. Wow that like saying dinosaurs never existed and they have been extinct for 65 million years so who’s telling the truth and have we all been cleverly deceived with a marketing scam that has robbed most of us outer of this limited edition Star Wars money swindle?

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[Jedi2016]

What the hell? They want Star Wars "untouched" with 5.1 audio?

People need to make up their minds. Either you want the original theatrical release, or you want a "tweaked" version. If you want a "tweaked" version, then you don't get to decide what tweaks it gets. That's what the Special Editions are. You'll never make these people happy. Give them 5.1, they'll complain that the original theatrical release didn't have 5.1. Give them a remastered image, they'll complain that it no longer looks like the theatrical release. Give them a non-remastered, stereo version, and they still complain that it looks and sounds ugly (not recognizing the fact that it actually looks better than any previous release of said theatrical cuts).

I also like how they want anamorphic widescreen on Blu-Ray. Do people not know what anamorphic is, or are they just jumping on the bandwagon when someone says "it's not anamorphic"? Blu-Ray is naturally widescreen, to my knowledge it doesn't support anamorphic imagery in any way.

The more I listen to this podcast (I'm listening to it as I'm typing), the more I realize... These guys are idiots.

As for the "laserdisc versus DVD" argument concerning the opening titles, this is what I refer to as an "edit" and not a "different master". The film itself is no doubt the same master as the laserdisc, they just edited in a new intro. Might not even have been the original intro, they might have recreated it for this release (takes only a few minutes, Knoll has all the digital files needed).

I thought this was supposed to be a review of the theatrical DVDs? Why are they spending the entire podcast talking about the SE changes?

In regards to the argument about the original prints, I have no doubt that they exist in some archive vault somewhere. But I kind of see where Lucas is coming from. I've done that sort of thing myself, going back and re-dallying in old works to improve them (I dabble in CGI), and I find myself never going back to look at the original, except in comparison to how much better the new version is. However, I've never gone to lengths to remove the old version from the entirety of the internet. Or even from my hard drive, for that matter. Like I keep all my "old" source files, so Lucas keeps the original prints.

I don't agree with his apparent refusal to provide those prints to the audience, though. Spielberg did it right, I think.. when he made the E.T. Special Edition, he included the original theatrical cut right in the same box, from the very first release.

For the record, I have not bought these new "Limited Edition" DVDs. Nor do I plan to. I already have the first SE DVD release, and the theatrical cuts of the films just aren't worth a double-dip for me. If I really want to see them, I have friends who own these new DVDs. But honestly, I've never been displeased with the SE versions, especially on DVD. The outstanding PQ and 5.1 audio far outweigh whatever changes to the films themselves I don't agree with.

 

[Rock&Roll Ninja]

Eh, the theatrical cuts will show up on HD eventually.

 

[Jack Hammer]

What the hell? They want Star Wars "untouched" with 5.1 audio?
...

Tell us how you really feel

Honestly, I think you hit the nail on the head. Star Wars fans will never be satisfied no matter what is done. There will always be some minute detail that makes people unhappy.

The movie came out almost 30 years ago People need to move on with their lives already.

Jack

 

[mtrycrafts]

What the hell? They want Star Wars "untouched" with 5.1 audio?
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If the original was in 6 ch stereo on the 70mm film, that is in essence 5.1. So, I don't see where the beef is.

 

[Jedi2016]

If the original was in 6 ch stereo on the 70mm film, that is in essence 5.1. So, I don't see where the beef is.

As I understand it, it's still just stereo. The sound was only formatted to fade between left and right, it doesn't factor in center or rear channels. I don't think such things existed thirty years ago.

 

[Dolby CP-200]

I’m not really what you would consider a true Star Wars fan, the whole point is buying something that most us know damn well exists.

Superman the Movie
Star Trek the Motion Picture
Alien Directors cut
Star Wars episode IV
Star Wars episode V
Star Wars episode VI
E.T. special edition
Top Gun special edition

The original versions of Star Wars were in a kinder of way what we would call Dolby 4.1. (Dolby format 42) which was six-track but with two mono sub bass channels called (baby boom).

41
70mm Dolby Wide
Wide range 6-track with A-type Dolby NR

42
70mm Dolby Baby Boom
6-track A-type Dolby NR, Baby Boom tracks 2 & 4

43
70mm Dolby Stereo Surround
6-track A-type Dolby NR, Baby Boom & split surrounds

The tracks where exclusively with the realised of the film in, 70mm Dolby Stereo with front channels left, (baby boom) centre (baby boom) right and a single monaural surround. Or 1 2 3 4 5 6 where 2&4 are the (baby boom) channels it’s also know has left left-centre centre right-centre right surround this was the old Todd-AO soundtrack configuration.

Baby boom was considered a waste of soundtrack area on the 70mm six-track mag print, why play it over two of the existing screen channels when all you can do is play it back over a single output with a huge array beneath the screen.

When Superman was realised it was dubbed with split-surrounds which gave stereo surrounds for the first time hence the name Dolby 5.1 which was announced by Tom Holman back in the late 1980’s. But Dolby 5.1 never came around until the early 1990’s.

E.T. was not the theatrical cut of the original 1982 version, again the soundtrack was tweaked. This was really a kick in the face! Thanks a lot Steven for the rip off!

I would, except the special edition’s soundtrack but I don’t really care to play that film. Looks like Steven Spielberg didn’t do his research. Gutted is all I can say gutted we have all been ripped off with these non-originals talk about buying a fake at the auctions!

This is the norm now, and Hollywood is hoping where all under there little spell and would buy just about any re-realised re-vamped movie on DVD HD-DVD and Blue-Ray which is enough to make us all Blue in the face with the greed of this corporation who can’t even spell the word original without tweaking it!

 

[captain_tinker]

Folks,
Problem is, these guys can get away with this because frankly most people out there that buy the DVD's don't have nice audio setups. In fact, I would venture to say that most people don't even have a clue what 5.1 even means, they probably think that it's just a version number of some kind of sound format. Heck, that's what I thought about a year or two ago before I got into this hobby. Also most people out there have nothing more than their two tv speakers to listen to the show with, and probably don't know enough to even use an S-Video cable, using a composite instead. So Speilburg, Lucas, and all those guys can get away with it, because so few people will notice, or even care.
They don't care if they piss off a few of the elite fans, when they have the surging masses to buy their product no matter what they do to it. They have no reason to put out the best stuff, because frankly so few people would know what to do with it anyway.
End of rant.

-capT

 

[mtrycrafts]

I’m not really what you would consider a true Star Wars fan, the whole point is buying something that most us know damn well exists.

Maybe you are a film buff then?
Obviously you know what was on the original films. Even a 4.1 would be better than just a 2ch stereo. I am not a purist either and appreciate good sound and would prefer the higher channel sounds from one of those 70mm films than just 2ch stereo.

 

[Bluesmoke]

Here's what I want:

2004 DVD Trilogy remastered in 1080p with Dolby True HD 7.1 on 50gb Blu-ray discs. 4 disc set. 1 disc per movie and a 4th for extras in HD.

I would kill to have this set.

 

[Rock&Roll Ninja]

Here's what I want:

2004 DVD Trilogy remastered in 1080p with Dolby True HD 7.1 on 50gb Blu-ray discs. 4 disc set. 1 disc per movie and a 4th for extras in HD.

I'll take the '97 THX restored prints, 1080x1920 VC-1 w/ 2 Dolby TrueHD tracks; 2.0 & 5.1. films will be available seperately and as a box set with the "bonus features" (ie. garbage nobody wants) on a seperate disk so I don't have to pay for them. released on both HD-DVD & Blu*Ray.

Then when the war ends: Who ever bought the loser will eventually buy the winning format collection again. Dual format releases during a "war" make perfect sense for studios.

 

[mtrycrafts]

I'll take the '97 THX restored prints, 1080x1920 VC-1 w/ 2 Dolby TrueHD tracks; 2.0 & 5.1. films will be available seperately and as a box set with the "bonus features" (ie. garbage nobody wants) on a seperate disk so I don't have to pay for them. released on both HD-DVD & Blu*Ray.

Then when the war ends: Who ever bought the loser will eventually buy the winning format collection again. Dual format releases during a "war" make perfect sense for studios.

The universal player is in order; no winners, just peaceful coexistence

 

[Jedi2016]

Here's what I want:

2004 DVD Trilogy remastered in 1080p with Dolby True HD 7.1 on 50gb Blu-ray discs. 4 disc set. 1 disc per movie and a 4th for extras in HD.

I would kill to have this set.

No good. It has to be a six-disc set. There's more than enough BTS material to give each film a bonus disc of it's own.

Of course, I'd rather the entire saga.. all six films, twelve-disc set, if not more.

 

[Rock&Roll Ninja]

Or they could even have the alternate-alternate audio track that still had Darth Vader being voiced by the scottish David Prowse using the original line:
"Obi-Wan killed your father!"
"No! Its not true!"