Star Trek - Blu-ray

[AcuDefTechGuy]

YOU ARE NUTS!!! There is NO way that that movie tops Wrath of Khan. It was a decent movie, but not even close to being the best one. I would say that The Undiscovered Country and even Nemesis are better.

You guys are all NUTTY TREKKIES!

I thought the new "Star Trek" was definitely one of the best in the fanchise. I also liked "The Undiscovered Country", "First Contact", and "Nemesis".

 

[lsiberian]

You guys are all NUTTY TREKKIES!

I thought the new "Star Trek" was definitely one of the best in the fanchise. I also liked "The Undiscovered Country", "First Contact", and "Nemesis".

I'm no Trekkie. Stargate is a much better franchise. Consider my loyalties aligned with that.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I'm no Trekkie. Stargate is a much better franchise. Consider my loyalties aligned with that.

Okay, Mr StargatEE.

I tried really hard to get into that series, but I thought it was just too boring.

The movie with James Spader & Kurt Russell was totally awesome.

 

[lsiberian]

Okay, Mr StargatEE.

I tried really hard to get into that series, but I thought it was just too boring.

The movie with James Spader & Kurt Russell was totally awesome.

The movie was good. The humor is very much what hooked me. The new series has stepped up into more mature stuff too. They are taking the kids of Stargate into adulthood.

 

[JerryLove]

The movie was good. The humor is very much what hooked me. The new series has stepped up into more mature stuff too. They are taking the kids of Stargate into adulthood.

They seem to be copying BSG. Unfortunately, I find the style of foley/camera work (like 24, and NYPD-Blue, and many other shows) well past annoying, and SG:U ups that antie by being a crew of morons.

The opening episode: they couldn't put a stick on a Keno, nor rig a button-pus on a timer, nor override a door mechanism (detach the control and close it manually?) nor weld a stupid plate of metal over a hole?!?

And why aren't the communication stones in 24x7 use to keep people like Samantha Carter and whats-his-name from Atlantis and basically anyone else they can find over there and working?

Take the Asguard equivalent of a ZPM, power a stargate to open a wormhole to the ship, and push through another ZPM equivalent.

Given the travel time of the fastest of Earth's hyperspace ships, even the other side of the universe is a trip measured in mere decades. Pegasus is 2.7 million LY. Let's assume that is a 10 day trip (we'd have to check the end of Atlantis for time). The universe is 16B LY in any direction, they have said they are half that, that's 3,000 times the distance or 30 years. Perhaps too much for a rescue, but interestingly none-the-less.

 

[JerryLove]

I thought the new "Star Trek" was definitely one of the best in the fanchise. I also liked "The Undiscovered Country", "First Contact", and "Nemesis".

Meaning you like flash over plot or consistency. No problem there, but I find how much bad plot I can ignore is directly related to the quality of the action, and how long since I watched it.

I spent 2 hours in the theater watching saying "but you have a time machine" (at least when I wasn't saying "oh, if only someone shot at the stupid ray-gun" (and why did they need to bore a hole in the planet again?!?)

"I was too late to save Romulus" - Unless you have a time machine.
"my wife is dead" - unless you have a time-machine.
"Vulcan is destroyed" - could be undone with a time-machine.
"I could have gotten off this rock long ago and handed the federation 24th-century warship technology and Nero's plan, but I'm in this cave instead" - unless you have.. no, wait, that just doesn't make sense.

 

[lsiberian]

They seem to be copying BSG. Unfortunately, I find the style of foley/camera work (like 24, and NYPD-Blue, and many other shows) well past annoying, and SG:U ups that antie by being a crew of morons.

The opening episode: they couldn't put a stick on a Keno, nor rig a button-pus on a timer, nor override a door mechanism (detach the control and close it manually?) nor weld a stupid plate of metal over a hole?!?

And why aren't the communication stones in 24x7 use to keep people like Samantha Carter and whats-his-name from Atlantis and basically anyone else they can find over there and working?

Take the Asguard equivalent of a ZPM, power a stargate to open a wormhole to the ship, and push through another ZPM equivalent.

Given the travel time of the fastest of Earth's hyperspace ships, even the other side of the universe is a trip measured in mere decades. Pegasus is 2.7 million LY. Let's assume that is a 10 day trip (we'd have to check the end of Atlantis for time). The universe is 16B LY in any direction, they have said they are half that, that's 3,000 times the distance or 30 years. Perhaps too much for a rescue, but interestingly none-the-less.

This is about star trek. Not stargate.

 

[lsiberian]

Meaning you like flash over plot or consistency. No problem there, but I find how much bad plot I can ignore is directly related to the quality of the action, and how long since I watched it.

I spent 2 hours in the theater watching saying "but you have a time machine" (at least when I wasn't saying "oh, if only someone shot at the stupid ray-gun" (and why did they need to bore a hole in the planet again?!?)

"I was too late to save Romulus" - Unless you have a time machine.
"my wife is dead" - unless you have a time-machine.
"Vulcan is destroyed" - could be undone with a time-machine.
"I could have gotten off this rock long ago and handed the federation 24th-century warship technology and Nero's plan, but I'm in this cave instead" - unless you have.. no, wait, that just doesn't make sense.

Temporal Prime Directive. No Star Trek fan should ever miss this central theme of the series. The Prime Directive is never to be violated.

 

[JerryLove]

Temporal Prime Directive. No Star Trek fan should ever miss this central theme of the series. The Prime Directive is never to be violated.

The temporal prime directive is placed in much later than Spock (with the Federation's time-fleet, though I suppose we could consider it "in effect" anyway), is routinely ignored (ST IV), and allows meddling for the purpose of restoring the "preferred" timeline (which Nero's presence broke, so Spock would be correct in "fixing" that).

Speaking of which, the 27th century+ temporal fleet *should* have intervened here.

Of course anything with time-travel is inherently broken (the Borg could easily have won in ST:FC if they had traveled back in time and *then* traveled the distance to Earth.)

People are welcome to like, or even love this movie (I'll be buying it because I love most of the sets, the effects, and the casting): but let's not pretend that there's a logical consistency to the plot

 

[lsiberian]

The temporal prime directive is placed in much later than Spock (with the Federation's time-fleet, though I suppose we could consider it "in effect" anyway), is routinely ignored (ST IV), and allows meddling for the purpose of restoring the "preferred" timeline (which Nero's presence broke, so Spock would be correct in "fixing" that).

Speaking of which, the 27th century+ temporal fleet *should* have intervened here.

Of course anything with time-travel is inherently broken (the Borg could easily have won in ST:FC if they had traveled back in time and *then* traveled the distance to Earth.)

People are welcome to like, or even love this movie (I'll be buying it because I love most of the sets, the effects, and the casting): but let's not pretend that there's a logical consistency to the plot

Spock was very much around for the implementation of the prime directive. But I think you are over analyzing this way too much. It's fiction.

I take the view if you don't like the show watch something else. No need to put down what others like unless it allows for making fun of them. Like a guy watching glee.

 

[JerryLove]

As to the movie: Loved the graphics. Loved the casting (especially McCoy, who seems to have been a better DeForest Kelly than even Kelly was).

eople are welcome to like, or even love this movie (I'll be buying it because I love most of the sets, the effects, and the casting)

I take the view if you don't like the show watch something else. No need to put down what others like unless it allows for making fun of them. Like a guy watching glee.

I think that not speaking honestly (or at all) on a thread makes for a very boring thread. Take a thread on $5000 interconnects for example.

Perhaps a "for people who unequivocably liked it only" thread?

*sigh* I'm wandering off topic, and I doubt I have much more to say about the BluRay than I already have (at least until I buy it). I'm gonna wander off now.

 

[darien87]

I'm no Trekkie. Stargate is a much better franchise. Consider my loyalties aligned with that.

OK, now I KNOW you are a complete lunatic! How the hell can you compare Stargate to the icon of popular culture that is Star Trek? I'll admit I only watched a few episodes, and I didn't even really like the movie all that much, but what I saw was incredibly cheesy. Lame special effects and terrible acting. I couldn't stand that black guy with the weird gold thing on his head.

 

[Fenix]

Sure they have a "Time Machine", but it's not really a time machine, it's a black hole maker. One of the effects of the Black hole happens to be able to travel back in time, but they are not able to control where/when they go back to. Remember Spock and Nero were caught by the black hole and pulled in, and happened to go back in time. They weren't expecting that, it was just how things happened.

In my interpretation Nero was pissed at the Federation for doing nothing and at Spock for betraying them (though he never tried to understand Spock's POV and what had occured). So he was going to rid the universe if the Federation and teach Spock a lesson so that he would understand his pain. I'm assuming that once he accomplished that he was then going head back to Romulus and prevent it from being destroyed now that he has the Red Matter to create the black hole and stop the Super Nova that's going to happen in ~130 years, or maybe task somebody to do it that will still be around. And by doing all that Romulus will be saved, and they won't have to worry about fighting with the Federation anymore they can just concentrate on taking over the remaining planets in that space and keeping the klingons and other races at bay.

Anyways....like I said before, I really like this one.

 

[lsiberian]

OK, now I KNOW you are a complete lunatic! How the hell can you compare Stargate to the icon of popular culture that is Star Trek? I'll admit I only watched a few episodes, and I didn't even really like the movie all that much, but what I saw was incredibly cheesy. Lame special effects and terrible acting. I couldn't stand that black guy with the weird gold thing on his head.

Oh my my my. We swing for the fences. I'm thinking Eli Manning must have said something positive about the show.

 

[JerryLove]

Sure they have a "Time Machine", but it's not really a time machine, it's a black hole maker.

Nero can now save Romulus. Spock knows at least two other methods of time travel that are available to him at will and that work in both directions.

 

[Alex2507]

I couldn't stand that black guy with the weird gold thing on his head.

Shhhh !!! They'll say you're a racist.

 

[Adam]

The whole "mining" ship thing did bug me a bit too. Their War Birds are garbage compared to that thing. How likely is that?

I look at it this way - the mining ship was from, what, 154 years in the future? Imagine if a sea-ruling battleship from the mid-1800s were to come up against an oil supertanker from the later 1900s. The battleship would be dwarfed by the tanker. Also, assuming that there had been a several-hundred-year-long war going on between nations, that supertanker might just have some weapons on board.

My point is just to consider the time differential. Just a thought. Helps me get past it. Well, that and the green girl.

 

[Adam]

Hee, hee. I didn't notice until my second viewing that the dude who got torched by the Romulan drill was wearing a red suit. Red suit, red shirt...I should have seen that coming.

 

[Adam]

I wonder if in the next movie they'll throw in a group of cadets watching a video of some dude saying, "Don't phase me, bro."

 

[gene]

OK I watched Trek on Blu-ray last night and actually enjoyed it more than I did in the theaters. I realized I am a bit too much of a trekkie over analyzing and being over critical of the movie. It had some serious flaws from a Trek standpoint and basic physics but it was still enjoyable nonetheless. I upgrade my rating to a B and will probably buy the Blu-ray simply b/c of the quality of the transfer to Blu-ray.