Spinoff Thread - What are/were the Best Symphonies?

gregz

gregz

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rgriffin's thread "What makes a good recording?" covered so much ground, I thought I'd leech a spinoff thread on one of the points discussed.

Like many, I feel recording quality is a completely different parameter than performance. I've heard more well recorded crappy performances than I've heard great symphonic performances recorded poorly...

Folks, when we're talking symphonies, we're really talking about talent and creativity of the conductors. I'm a romantic, and I love the conductors that interpret music passionately rather than cool and "refined."

As such, my all time favorites are:

Bernstein - Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra
Ormandy - The Philadelphia Orchestra
Fritz Reiner - Chicago Symphony Orchestra

Honorable mention:

Zubin Mehta (I loved what he did with the Los Angeles Philharmonic with the 3 tenors)
Seiji Ozawa (A great rendition of Carmina Burana)
John Williams (The Imperial March gives Soulsa a run for his money)

Who are your fav's? Who do you think's got the golden wand?
 
anamorphic96

anamorphic96

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Gregz,
I agree with all your choices. Especially Bernstein. What a true romantic. Im gonna throw a few others in here.

Simon Rattle - Birmingham Symphony Orchestra (Mahler Symphony #2 - Thrilling and the rest of his Mahler and Bruckner) I also feel Simon is one of the most gifted conductors thats come around in the past twenty years.

Herbert Von Karajan - Berlin Philharmonic (Too many to list. But his Bruckner and Beethoven are great.)

George Szell - Cleveland Symphony Orchestra (Beethoven Complete Sypmphony Cycle)

Im gonna go with Leonard Slatkins recording with St.Louis of Carmina Burana.

Michael Tilson Thomas seems to have gotten the monkey off his back when he came to San Francisco. I have been to a few performances and been impressed.

Cheers,
Glenn
 
Francious70

Francious70

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I like London Symphony Orchestra's recording of "Marche Slave"

Paul
 
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av_phile

Senior Audioholic
I find the subject a matter of personal taste. I have some favourties but often the recording itself can be turn-off or a real come on. Many telarc recordings of the Cincinatti and Cleveland Orch under Maazel and Kunzel sound gorgeous. The few digital transcriptions of excellent analog materials on the CBS/Sony classics, EMI and Phillips labels that I have are a dissappointment.

The recent remixes on Warner DVD-A of the Barenboim Beethoven cycle are a delight to listen to, but from an interpretative view, pales in comparison to the more urgent and definitive pacing and readings from the Siolti/Chicago Symphony and Karajan/Berlin Philharmonic (the early 60s not the 70s) performances.

Just my thoughts on a few at the top of my head. So many performances and recordings out there.
 
gregz

gregz

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anamorphic96, I'll have to check out some of those recordings myself.

av_phile, I did present this thread as a matter of personal taste, but under my guise of objective fairness, I do believe conductors fall under two categories - good and bad. Butchers like James Levine are many these days, while the 50's and 60's were dominated by a much higher ratio of high caliber conductors.

That being said, the good conductors each have their own style and interpretation which does in fact come down to personal taste. I've always enjoyed recordings from the London Symphony Orchestra, although their typically sophisticated renditions tend to be too mild mannered for most of my favorite romantic period pieces. I like my Puccini and Wagner over the top! :)
 
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Leprkon

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Would it be cheating to go with Larry Baird and the World Festival Orchestra's version of "Isn't Life Strange" ? (with a little help from the Moody Blues). It might not be a symphony but it is an outstanding representation of the emotional power of an orchestra....
 
gregz

gregz

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Not at all, Leprkon; I have some dynamite recordings made by the Boston Pops Orchestra that I'll proudly play and leave it to the listener to determine the origin of the performance. :)

I thought my inclusion of John Williams precluded any type of snobbery. Heh, now that I think about it, Henry Mancini had some killers as well!
 
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Pat D

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Oh, conductors and orchestras!

gregz said:
rgriffin's thread "What makes a good recording?" covered so much ground, I thought I'd leech a spinoff thread on one of the points discussed.

Like many, I feel recording quality is a completely different parameter than performance. I've heard more well recorded crappy performances than I've heard great symphonic performances recorded poorly...

Folks, when we're talking symphonies, we're really talking about talent and creativity of the conductors. I'm a romantic, and I love the conductors that interpret music passionately rather than cool and "refined."

As such, my all time favorites are:

Bernstein - Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra
Ormandy - The Philadelphia Orchestra
Fritz Reiner - Chicago Symphony Orchestra

Honorable mention:

Zubin Mehta (I loved what he did with the Los Angeles Philharmonic with the 3 tenors)
Seiji Ozawa (A great rendition of Carmina Burana)
John Williams (The Imperial March gives Soulsa a run for his money)

Who are your fav's? Who do you think's got the golden wand?
When I saw the title, I was thinking composers and their symphonies.

There are some conductors whose works I seek out, although I have many great recordings with other artists of particular works. But you asked for favorites, so here goes. When I see a recording by these people, at least in certain repertoire, I'm tempted to get it. Fortunately, I often restrain this impulse. I like conductors who keep the structure of the work clear but who have a sense of atmosphere and who swing, who have a sense of timing. Anybody can make the orchestra play loud.

Ernest Ansermet, Suisse Romande Orchestra. These are hard to beat in French and Russian music. I also like their Beethoven symphonies.

Bruno Walter Various orchestra. German and Austrian music. Wagner, Mahler, some Beethoven, Mozart, and Schubert.

Fritz Reiner. Usually the Chicago Symphony Orchestra. I have wonderful recordings of some of the big orchestral works but strangely enough, not of the big symphonies.

Charles Dutoit, Montreal Symphony Orchestra. Great for French music, overtures.

Now there are lots of other conductors who have done some wonderful recordings, such as Josef Krips, Antal Dorati, Georg Solti, Colin Davis, Nicholas Ward, Georg Tintner, Neville Marriner, Trevor Pinnock, Christopher Hogwood, Antoni Wit, Herbert von Karajan, Eugene Ormandy, Leonard Bernstein, Gerard Schwarz, Leopold Stokowski, Sir Thomas Beecham, Lorin Maazel, George Szell, Hans Schmidt-Isserstedt, and many others.

Great orchestras include the Berlin Philharmonic, Vienna Philharmonic, Chicago Symphony, London Symphony, Philadelphia Orchestra, Royal Philarmonic Orchestra, Dresden Staatskapelle, Cleveland Orchestra, New York Philharmonic, Montreal Symphony, Suisse Romande Orchestra, and there are numerous splendid orchestras that are less well-known such as the Polish National Radio Symphony (Katowice), Northern Chamber Orchestra, Royal Scottish National Orchesra, BBC Symphony, Seattle Symphony and others.
 
rgriffin25

rgriffin25

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I happen to think Symphonies 1-6 composed by Carl Nielsen are very interesting to listen to. I own the complete cycle performed by San Fransisco Symphony with Herbert Blomstedt conducting. These works are not all that common so I doubt you will find very many different recordings.

Other music to consider,

Paul Hindemith, Symphonic Metamorphosis

Hector Berlioz, Symphony Fantastique

Richard Strauss, Death and Transfiguration

Dmitri Shostakovich, Symphony 5

These are all excellent works, find an orchestra/ conductor you like and I am sure they will not disappoint.
 

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