Speakerwire for subwoofer

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ivoimg

Audioholic Intern
I'm having problems finding a good place for my 18" Velodyne subwoofer. I can put it in the back of the room and I have speakerwire running through the walls from the amp to the back of the room. How much quality would I lose if I placed the sub in the back and used the speakerwire instead of RCA connections to the amp? If it doesn't lose quality, how do you convert RCA from the amp to speakerwire?
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
If you're asking if you can use regular unshield copper wire instead of shielded coax for the line-level signal for the sub, the answer is yes. However, you do run the risk of getting hum when you use unshielded cables for line-level signals like that. I'd say give it a try before deciding if it's good enough. If it sounds good, then you're all set.

I can't answer how to convert a two-conductor speaker wire into an RCA connector for the line-level connection, but I'm interested in that answer myself because I might be trying the same thing in my house later this year.
 
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MDS

Audioholic Spartan
The difference between speaker level and line level is the level of the signal arriving at the sub.

A speaker wire connection to the sub is high-level meaning the signal has already been amplified. A powered sub is going to knock that down to line level, apply it's xover and then amplify the frequencies it is supposed to play. With a line-level connection, the signal is low level (unamplified). If the sub's xover is engaged it's just going to filter the signal to the frequencies it is supposed to play and then amplify it; if the sub's xover is not engaged, because the receiver is doing the xover, the sub is just going to amplify the signal it gets from the receiver.

So basically either approach will 'work'. The advantage of the line level connection is that bass management happens elsewhere (in the receiver). The receiver is the brains of the operation and is routing all signals to their destination. You can change the xover frequency with a press of a button on the receiver remote when the sub is connected via the low level connection. With the speaker level connection, you have to physically move the dial on the sub.

If you use the speaker level connection, the bass management settings get more complicated and you usually have to also run speaker wire from the sub back to the main speakers. That is a lot of wire and makes a mess if the front speakers are in the front of the room and the sub is at the opposite end. So, if possible, you want to use the low level connection to the sub.

You CAN use speaker wire terminated with RCA connectors and connect them normally to the receiver's sub-preout but it requires soldering the wire to the RCA connector and that is a hassle that most people would try to avoid.
 
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ivoimg

Audioholic Intern
RCA to Speakerwire

Thanks for the response. I guess the last paragraph is my question. Can I use the low level line out from my amp that usually goes to a sub using shielded RCA cables - convert the RCA cables to speakerwire - then back to RCA cables when they connect to the sub. I don't want to make the cables. I'm pretty sure I'd mess them up, so I'd prefer to buy an RCA to Speakerwire converter if anyone makes one....and if this whole configuration wouldn't overly reduce the quality of sound.
 
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MDS

Audioholic Spartan
I don't know if there are ready made adapters to attach RCA plugs to speaker wire but I know a few people have done it themselves by soldering.

Whether you have to do it yourself or could find a kit to do it, it would be better than using the speaker level connections to the sub.
 
Alex2507

Alex2507

Audioholic Slumlord
How about quad shield coax with F connectors that you can get RCA adaptors for at Radio Shack? Solderless shielded RCA cable. You might have to crimp something to get the perfect lenght.:)
 
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MDS

Audioholic Spartan
How about quad shield coax with F connectors that you can get RCA adaptors for at Radio Shack? Solderless shielded RCA cable. You might have to crimp something to get the perfect lenght.:)
That's what I have in my house but my understanding of the OP is that he doesn't have that option - only speaker wire that is already run in the walls.
 
ParadigmDawg

ParadigmDawg

Audioholic Overlord
How about taping a RCA cable on the speaker wire and pulling it through the wall?
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
I'm having problems finding a good place for my 18" Velodyne subwoofer. I can put it in the back of the room and I have speakerwire running through the walls from the amp to the back of the room. How much quality would I lose if I placed the sub in the back and used the speakerwire instead of RCA connections to the amp? If it doesn't lose quality, how do you convert RCA from the amp to speakerwire?
Was that speaker cable to the back meant for a sub or your rear speakers?

It is usually not a good idea to use speaker cables, untwisted, in place of interconnects, especially long runs.
 
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JackVa1

Junior Audioholic
Novice Sub wire question

I bought an Onkya receiver and a Velodyne ct-150 sun a few years ago. To wire the sub, I took an old rca speaker wire that was from an old "stereo system" which had RCA type jacks to the cheap spekers instead of typical red/black speaker wire. This RCA Jack runs into the Velodyne that is 20 feet away. It works...In laymens terms what were my options? I hear grad Bass, but have no clue as to cross-over options and other things discussed in here. Anyone care to help me get the most out of the sun in English? Thanks

More money than brains back then...
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
Excellent article! I had authored a thread a few days ago asking this very question, and I believe this covered exactly what I was looking for.

Thanks!
You should go over all the published articles at the home page. Lots of great info there.
 
Halon451

Halon451

Audioholic Samurai
You can buy expensive cables, or spend a little extra time behind your rack/entertainment center separating the various signals that will help alleviate any interference issues. I've never had any problems so far.

I've actually built most of my own cables anyway - I like the custom aspect of not having a lot of extra length hanging around that you have to manage and keep clean (and away from other aforementioned signals). It makes for a very tidy wiring job behind the scenes. :)
 
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