Speakers to go with Denon 3805?

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newaudiophile

Audioholic Intern
Hi,

I am planning on buying a Denon 3805. Audioholics recommend to pair this with RBH speakers. Does anyone else have any experience with these speakers?
Finally, do you think it is better or worse to pair this receiver with paradigm or axiom speakers?

Thanks!
 
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newaudiophile

Audioholic Intern
I forgot to add...B&W (603) aswell...

Thanks!
 
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Zarg

Junior Audioholic
3805 Speakers

newaudiophile said:
Hi,

I am planning on buying a Denon 3805. Audioholics recommend to pair this with RBH speakers. Does anyone else have any experience with these speakers?
Finally, do you think it is better or worse to pair this receiver with paradigm or axiom speakers?

Thanks!
I paired mine with Axioms. I like my sound. But it kind of depends on your budget, right? Aren't the RBH's significantly more expensive than either the Axioms or the Paradigms?

Sounds like you have some auditioning to do...

Good luck!
 
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newaudiophile

Audioholic Intern
Nice point.

I am looking to spend about $2000 for a complete set-up of speakers. The RBH AC Speakers will cost about that much...but I wouldn't mind spending less, if I can still get great sound!

Thanks for the reply!
 
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hopjohn

Full Audioholic
I would be more concerned with pairing your speakers to your room. Pairing it with your reciever is secondary. The room is where you should first look when making speaker selections. Mainly the size and acoustic properties ( lively, neutral, dead). A large room might require a larger, more sensitive speaker than a small room for example.
 
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newaudiophile

Audioholic Intern
That is a really good point.

My room is 20 x 20. In terms of the feel of the room, I am not sure how to describe it...a normal family room, i guess.

Thanks for the thoughts...does this narrow down the choices at all?

Thanks!
 
Rob Babcock

Rob Babcock

Moderator
In that price range you can get a pretty nice rig. I know the AH staff uses RBH speakers as their reference, but of course not the cheaper ones. I've never heard any of them; all I know is they've been well reviewed.

In any event, you'll want to start with a good sub. This will give you the foundation for music and HT, plus relieve your main speakers of reproducing bass. This helps dynamics considerably. Many people advise that if you only want to play music you can get by without a sub. I tend to disagree- a good, accurate sub enhances music considerably. However, you'll not get a good home theater experience without a good sub.

There are several good ones available for $500-600, or even less. You don't have to break the bank, but you shouldn't skimp too much. Buying enough sub can allow you to get by with smaller and cheaper speakers- it all comes down to tradeoffs, no matter what the price range.

My standard recommendation is a Hsu Research sub. They've received more critical rave reviews than almost any sub I can name, and I myself have a pair of their best. They make some of the best on the market, yet they're pretty affordable. Their customer service is superb (very important, IMO) and the sound is great. Best of all, they work well for HT and music both. Their STF-2 is sufficient for many systems, and their STF-3 is enough for even fairly large theaters. They make subs for almost any conceivable system.

SVS also has an enviable reputation, especially for HT use. Their subs are powerful and affordable, and their owners are often rabidly loyal. They'll go as loud and low as you could ever ask of a sub in that price range.

The Adire Rava also merits inclusion on your 'short list.' Who else can deliver a 60 L cabinet with a 12" Shiva driver and a 250 W amp, all for $400? The Rava is a superb sub so cheap you could scarcely DIY it for less. The Shiva driver is a legend in the DIY sub community, and the company is good to deal with. You can get a sealed or passive. This is a quality veneered sub for the price of a Best Buy 'partical board wonder.'

As for speakers:

Pardigms are pretty good for the money. There are several Canadian companies that make very good affordable speakers. PSB is another Canuck. I'd say overall the PSB is among the most widely loved of all the reasonably priced brands. The Absolute Sound has chosen their Image towers as an Editor's Best Buy, and many other mags have similarly praised them. For my money they sounded a tiny bit "dark," but they had a nice midrange, good bass and were pretty dynamic.

Wharfedale doesn't get much ink in the States, but the British press has gone ga-ga for several of their models. They have giant killer rep for sound and value. In America, Audio Advisor carries some of their speakers.

Axiom is also famous among web-savvy audiophools. I've sadly never heard an Axiom speaker, but many here can advise you in that regard.

Infinity actually does make some decent entry level speakers, too.

Athena gets an awful lot of praise for their inexpensive speakers, like their Audition line. They really are damned fine for the money, and they can be had at considerable discount as many Best Buy stores carry them. It's hard to top them for really cheap speakers, and although you've budged considerably more, as you say, why spend more than you need to? They're worth an audition if you've got a seller nearby.

That leaves my favorite, Monitor Audio. They're a bit "livelier" or brighter than PSBs, but not overly so. The Bronze B series are giant killers, too, and well within your price range. The only bad thing is it's not always easy to find someplace to audition them. And they're not a direct sales maker, so you may not find a dealer who'll ship and let you return them if you don't like them.

There are others, but these are all good places to start researching. You're so lucky! I've said this so often, but it really is true- we're in a Golden Age for audio and home theater gear. Never before has so much good sound been available so cheaply. A carefully selected $2000 speaker system can blow your doors off! This site is certainly a great resource to help you in your search.

BTW, I think the Denon AVR-3805 is an outstanding choice. I've got the older 3802, and I'll likely upgrade to the 3805 myself at some point.
 
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dloweman

Audioholic
Just a small addition to Robs post above, Hsu has a sub between the stf2 and stf3 called the vtf2-mk2. It has to ports on the rear and with one hole plugged it goes lower with less output, but if you flip a switch, pull the plug it plays louder but not quit as low. One being better for music and the other for movies. This is a great sub, and I love mine.
 
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newaudiophile

Audioholic Intern
Wow,

Great advice! I wish there was a place where I could audition all these all at once, but that isn't possible. You would think in NYC it would be so easy, but there isn't an RBH dealer in the city.

So paradigms, monitors, axioms, RBH....there are a lot of good choices. Seems hard to go wrong!

Thanks!
 
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dloweman

Audioholic
That is the thing, with technology the way it is, it is pretty hard to go wrong. You can come here and get advice on what some people prefer, but in order for you to be happy, you have to do the listening yourself.
 
Rob Babcock

Rob Babcock

Moderator
dloweman said:
Just a small addition to Robs post above, Hsu has a sub between the stf2 and stf3 called the vtf2-mk2. It has to ports on the rear and with one hole plugged it goes lower with less output, but if you flip a switch, pull the plug it plays louder but not quit as low. One being better for music and the other for movies. This is a great sub, and I love mine.
I agree. But long winded as I am, if I listed every option I'd still be listing them now! :D The VTF is a little more flexible and has a slightly larger amp. It's probably worth the money, but as I said, it's a trade off. The VTF (variable tuning freq) costs $100 more than the comparable STF (single tuning freq). The difference in performance is real but small. Is it worth it? It might be, depending upon what you need. But an extra $100 spent on the sub is $100 less you can spend on speakers. Maybe not a big deal, depending upon which speakers you want. If one chooses the Athenas you just might have enough money for a pair of subs, which would really rock. I run a pair, and although my room is fairly large I'd hate to go back to just one in any room. ;) All that said, the VTF series is also a great value in a SOTA sub.

I just noticed that the link I gave to PSB shows a new Image line. I wasn't aware that they changed the Image line (although they of course do every year of two). That probably means there's piles of the old Image series stacked in warehouses. That could equate to a super deal on last years model. I'd seriously be looking into that if I was shopping for speakers in that range right now. Note that the TAS award was given to those older ones.

Even though they're the among the cheapest of the ones I listed, the Athena's are serious speakers, and have been raved by all the rags, too. It's hard to believe how good they are for the prices I've seen them at. Audio Advisor often blows out the towers for $300 per pair, and less for the bookshelf models! It's worth checking if your local BB carries them as the prices can be great. All in all I'd rate them a little lower than PSB, but speakers are like shoes- you've really gotta walk around in 'em and check the fit for yourself.

Lastly, I didn't mean to steer anyone away form B&W. They make some very fine speakers too. I only meant to point out some options that would fit in the under $2k budget. The only prob with B&W is that they're a little spendier and seldom discounted.
 
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jaretsky

Enthusiast
you can listen to psb's at cosmphonic sound on 1st ave. between 84th & 85th go give them a listen.
 
nova

nova

Full Audioholic
Well I'm a big RBH fan (SE and MC series), not a fan of the AC series,... ok IMO. I have a set of SE's to go with my 3805 and I love them, I also have some MC's in the bedroom.
Make sure you listen to a good demo of all the speakers you are interested in.
 
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Seabear

Enthusiast
New - A...
I just got a set of Axioms, in part due to the great reviews they have gotten on this site, and the Axiom Message Boards (also a great place for solid, very inpartial advice).
They are incredible. I bought the M60's, Qs8's, SV150, EP350 & M2i's and all totaled a bit over $2K (with some of the items coming from their outlet shop). The M60's and Qs8's are already here, and the rest should show up tomorrow.
I listened to lots and lots of speakers out there, and what got me to the Axioms was the fact that so many people kept comparing them to the B&W 703's, which were at the top of my list, but at $3K a pair I knew it was going to be a long time before I could afford them. Well, everyone was right, they do sound very, very, close. I might even like the Axiom's better. And the Qs8's are - bar none - the best surround speakers I have heard anywhere near this price. And for almost a Grand less than the 703's, I was able to replace my whole surround system. Build quality is fantastic, customer service superb, and their fan base is nothing short of rabid.
But, just like someone else said, it is a great, great time to be shopping for AV Gear. There is tons of great stuff out there for the $$$.
Go out and listen to as much as you can, and if you come across and like the B&W 703's, then you are going to like the Axiom M60's, no doubt.
Have Fun!
TjB
 
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Leprkon

Audioholic General
dloweman said:
That is the thing, with technology the way it is, it is pretty hard to go wrong. You can come here and get advice on what some people prefer, but in order for you to be happy, you have to do the listening yourself.
HOT TIP !!! Word is out some major speaker manufacturer will soon be the VERY FIRST to offer their systems INTERNALLY WIRED with GLOB (TM) technology cabling !!! KEEP YOUR EYES AND EARS OPEN !!!!!! They won't be cheap but doggone it, they sure will sound GLOBular !!!! :D
 
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Zarg

Junior Audioholic
Endorsing Your Point

Seabear said:
And for almost a Grand less than the 703's, I was able to replace my whole surround system.
TjB
Word. I'm sure there are better sounding speakers than the Axioms, but not for significantly more money. My goal was to get the best sounding speakers I could find for a reasonable budget ... and the price versus performance trade-off led me to the Axioms. I have nearly the same system as Seabear (except for the sub; I bought an SV) and am very pleased with the sound.

But as everybody has said, you need to do your own auditioning and find speakers that sound the best to you for your budget.

Good luck!
 
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karltl

Enthusiast
You might also check out a company named Ascend Acoustics. They sell via internet only buut offer a 30 day, no questions asked money back guarantee.

They also offer package deals which include the HSU sub's (lst I looked they offer the VTF-2 and VTF-3.

These speakers are highly praised, on numerous consumer review web sites and have won a numebr of awards (including one from CES 2004...the "Soundstage" awards or something like that).

I bought a fumm 6.1 system from them, including the VTF-2 and, while they are rather plain looking, the sound quality out of them is incredibly good. In my humble opinion, one of the best sounding speakers for the money out there.

BTW...I dont work for Ascend. Just an extremely pleased customer.

Karl
 
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newaudiophile

Audioholic Intern
This is great advice!

So....RBH, Axiom, Ascend, PSB and Paradigm.....they all are great for everyone that has them. Which is the best bang for the buck?
 
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Zarg

Junior Audioholic
It Depends

newaudiophile said:
This is great advice!

So....RBH, Axiom, Ascend, PSB and Paradigm.....they all are great for everyone that has them. Which is the best bang for the buck?

Depends. What's your price sensitivity? Does a hundred bucks make a difference? Does a thousand?

Obviously, everybody feels that their speakers represent the "best bang for the buck". That's why they bought them. At this point, may I respectfully suggest that you create a table with the speaker brands (and models) listed on one side, with the associated prices next to them, and then your listening notes (and maybe a numerical rating for certain factors your ears consider to be important) next to that. Fill in the table. Look at the findings -- the decision may not be obvious, but it will be a heck of a lot easier.

And good luck to you -- let us all know what decision you make!

Zarg
 

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