Speakers in cinema hall vs Home Theater Speakers

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senleka

Enthusiast
I have a general question. In all the HT setup DVD's i have looked at it is been mentioned that the Mains tweater should be in the same level as your ears in the seating position(height). I wonder how they can do this kinda setup in cinema hall as the seating height varies for every row of the seat.
 
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tbewick

Senior Audioholic
Positioning the tweeter at ear level is to try and hear the best frequency response from your speaker - specifically the top-end (treble).

In a movie theatre they use real time analysers to measure frequency response in different parts of the theatre. Through good theatre design, acoustical treatment, and use of equalisers, the theatre can be made so that the frequency response is good across all the seating. They presumably have to use speakers with a good dispersivity to accomplish this.
 
Hi Ho

Hi Ho

Audioholic Samurai
Unfortunately it seems, at least in this area, many theaters are not designed well. Either that or they simply don't use good equipment. Until last year, there wasn't a halfway decent sounding theater within 90 miles of my house.
 
Hi Ho

Hi Ho

Audioholic Samurai
The decen't one that was recently built closer to my house uses Klipsch speakers. They sound very nice.

The best sounding theaters I've ever been in are the IMAX theater and Cinerama in Seattle.
 
Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
mtrycrafts said:
Just think, those speakers at home and you can save on amps :D
you mean save FOR amps. They need 1200 watts for the woofers. Plus, they won't even fit in my room, to tall.

SheepStar
 
agarwalro

agarwalro

Audioholic Ninja
Hi Ho said:
The best sounding theaters I've ever been in are the IMAX theater and Cinerama in Seattle.
You should try out the new Lincoln Theater at Bellevue Square. Watched Underworld Evolution there, thought it sounded pretty good.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
Sheep said:
you mean save FOR amps. They need 1200 watts for the woofers. Plus, they won't even fit in my room, to tall.

SheepStar

Yes, that is in a theater of huge size:D It even gives max SPl at 10meters, pretty impressive. In your home, with such sensitivity, probably a portable unit would drive it;)
 
Hi Ho

Hi Ho

Audioholic Samurai
You should try out the new Lincoln Theater at Bellevue Square. Watched Underworld Evolution there, thought it sounded pretty good.
The thing is, that area is about 2 hours from my house. I don't normally go that far just to see a movie. :)
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
Hi Ho said:
The thing is, that area is about 2 hours from my house. I don't normally go that far just to see a movie. :)

A few years ago when the local theaters were terrible, I drove an hour to the big city for a good theater:D 2 hrs? I doubt that I would do that much driving. I have limits.
 
Hi Ho

Hi Ho

Audioholic Samurai
I just waited till they're available on DVD. :) Now, if I really want to see a movie in the theater, I go to the new Regal cinemas in Olympia.
 
Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
Hi Ho and other seattlers,

Just come across the border and watch a movie at Famous Players! :)

SheepStar
 
Hi Ho

Hi Ho

Audioholic Samurai
Yes, a 5+ hour drive sounds lovely for a single movie. :D
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
Hi Ho said:
Yes, a 5+ hour drive sounds lovely for a single movie. :D

Make it a mini vacation. I am sure sheep will put you up for a few days, free food and lodging, see the sights:D Vancouver is a very nice city in the spring.
 
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senleka

Enthusiast
tbewick said:
Positioning the tweeter at ear level is to try and hear the best frequency response from your speaker - specifically the top-end (treble).

In a movie theatre they use real time analysers to measure frequency response in different parts of the theatre. Through good theatre design, acoustical treatment, and use of equalisers, the theatre can be made so that the frequency response is good across all the seating. They presumably have to use speakers with a good dispersivity to accomplish this.
Wow!! Thanks guys for the replies.. I really appreciate..
 
Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
mtrycrafts said:
Make it a mini vacation. I am sure sheep will put you up for a few days, free food and lodging, see the sights:D Vancouver is a very nice city in the spring.
Heh, ya, Have fun in my back yard on days like today with a high of 5 degree's. :rolleyes:

SheepStar
 
anamorphic96

anamorphic96

Audioholic General
Sheep said:
They use these.

http://www.jblpro.com/pages/cinema/5000.htm

They need to hit 16Khz for THX (I believe) and the horn helps them reach this goal over a large area.

75% of the worlds theaters use JBL speakers.

SheepStar
Actually there is nothing going on at 16khz. Everything starts rolling off at 2k and by the time you hit 16khz there is nothing going on. In fact I just helped EQ the big houses at my theatre using a THX R2 unit which uses 4 mics and averages everything out to get a more even response around the auditorium. The equalization curve used in cinemas is called the X curve. All theatres are EQ'd to this curve. If not you would have a VERY harsh sound that is very bright due to the horns. The horns used in cinemas are aimed 2/3 the way back in the auditorium to cover the main seating areas. The closer you get to the more un even the sound gets.

As far as JBL being in 75% of all theatres is not very accurate today. It's more like 50 to 60 %. This comes a from a JBL rep I have dealt with on a few occasions. This figure was more accurate back in the late 80 early 90's. It's just a marketing ploy now. Before all the bankruptcy filings by the major circuits. EV is widely used in alot of theatres. Klipsch has also made big resurgance in the cinmea industry as well. The other thing to note is if the surrounds say JBL the stage system could be different. One of the theatres I help take care of is this way. JBL surrounds and EV stage systems.

The 4000 series is the most widely used JBL speaker that they make. 75 to 80% of their sales are these stage speakers. http://www.jblpro.com/pages/cinema/4000.htm The 3 way systems are way to expensive for most theatre chains and are mainly used for special venues such as the Arclight cinemas in Hollywood. On oocasion a chain might throw one of the smaller 3 way systems in the big auditorium.
 
Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
anamorphic96 said:
Actually there is nothing going on at 16khz. Everything starts rolling off at 2k and by the time you hit 16khz there is nothing going on. In fact I just helped EQ the big houses at my theatre using a THX R2 unit which uses 4 mics and averages everything out to get a more even response around the auditorium. The equalization curve used in cinemas is called the X curve. All theatres are EQ'd to this curve. If not you would have a VERY harsh sound that is very bright due to the horns. The horns used in cinemas are aimed 2/3 the way back in the auditorium to cover the main seating areas. The closer you get to the more un even the sound gets.

As far as JBL being in 75% of all theatres is not very accurate today. It's more like 50 to 60 %. This comes a from a JBL rep I have dealt with on a few occasions. This figure was more accurate back in the late 80 early 90's. It's just a marketing ploy now. Before all the bankruptcy filings by the major circuits. EV is widely used in alot of theatres. Klipsch has also made big resurgance in the cinmea industry as well. The other thing to note is if the surrounds say JBL the stage system could be different. One of the theatres I help take care of is this way. JBL surrounds and EV stage systems.

The 4000 series is the most widely used JBL speaker that they make. 75 to 80% of their sales are these stage speakers. http://www.jblpro.com/pages/cinema/4000.htm The 3 way systems are way to expensive for most theatre chains and are mainly used for special venues such as the Arclight cinemas in Hollywood. On oocasion a chain might throw one of the smaller 3 way systems in the big auditorium.
I want your job. :)

SheepStar
 
anamorphic96

anamorphic96

Audioholic General
It's not all that great.

I actually had a ****ty day today. We discovered a sub driver with a rotted surround that had blown and nealing down in all that dust and mouse droppings is not fun. Especially trying to mount an 18 driver which ways about 30 lbs is not fun in the tight confines of a baffle wall.

Have you tried for projection a position at Famous Players. I guy like you with a good attitude could learn the basics quick. Might be a good college job.
 

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