speaker wires & 14/2 wires

[tommi]

I'm a carpenter not an electrician Am renovating my living rm. have roughed in a pair of bose in ceiling speakers been told you can't run speaker wire within 2' of electrical wire am using 12 gauge speaker wire but it will be impossible for me not to cross over or by 14/2 electrical wire if this is a problem is there anything I can put in between the 12 gauge & 14/2 wire so i don't have any interference static etc. (1/2 cement board , silicone , magic gel ? or I'm hoping this is a mith and it won't be a problem
don't want to drywall paint and finish and then have terrible sounding speakers ANY ADVICE WOULD BE APPRICIATED THANKS TOMMI

 

[mtrycrafts]

I'm a carpenter not an electrician Am renovating my living rm. have roughed in a pair of bose in ceiling speakers been told you can't run speaker wire within 2' of electrical wire am using 12 gauge speaker wire but it will be impossible for me not to cross over or by 14/2 electrical wire if this is a problem is there anything I can put in between the 12 gauge & 14/2 wire so i don't have any interference static etc. (1/2 cement board , silicone , magic gel ? or I'm hoping this is a mith and it won't be a problem
don't want to drywall paint and finish and then have terrible sounding speakers ANY ADVICE WOULD BE APPRICIATED THANKS TOMMI

Are those 12ga wires internally twisted by chance? You would feel it through the outer jacket.

Nothing in-between the two types will help except distance. If you have to cross, do it at right angles and as far as possible in each direction.

 

[tommi]

Yes the copper wire within the plastic casing is twisted in the 12 gauge.
Does this make a diference ? With a little chiselling and hacking I can get a distance of 3" between 14/2 & the 12 gauge and it will cross at right angles
another question does T.V. cable wire have any affect on the 12 gauge speaker wire The T.V. cable wire won't cross the 12 gauge but will be within 2' as they all converge at my entertainment centre:

 

[Rickster71]

The TV cable is ok.
It's the high voltage running parallel with low voltage, that's a noise inducer. The earlier advice to cross at 90 degrees, is the ticket.

 

[tommi]

I have no choice in one section of running the 12 gauge parallel with the 14/2
but i managed to get it 22" apart Do you think that is enough distance not to cause any interferance THANKS TO ALL WHO REPLIED WITH ADVICE &
SUGGESTIONS MUCH APPRICIATED I'm a newbie on the audioholics site but will be using it in the future for upcoming projects Anyone with any renovation, construction ,remodiling problems or inquires feel free to ask
would like to return the favor that is my area of expertise
Original question is 22" enough distance between 12 g. & 14/2
THANX TOMMI

 

[mtrycrafts]

I have no choice in one section of running the 12 gauge parallel with the 14/2
but i managed to get it 22" apart Do you think that is enough distance not to cause any interferance THANKS TO ALL WHO REPLIED WITH ADVICE &
SUGGESTIONS MUCH APPRICIATED I'm a newbie on the audioholics site but will be using it in the future for upcoming projects Anyone with any renovation, construction ,remodiling problems or inquires feel free to ask
would like to return the favor that is my area of expertise
Original question is 22" enough distance between 12 g. & 14/2
THANX TOMMI

Yes, 22" is plenty. I think that earlier suggestion by some other to you was not correct. 16" or on opposite studs in a bay, about 14 1/2" is plenty.

Yes, that twisted 12ga is also a big benefit in noise rejection.
And that 3 " above will also help a lot, so you should be fine now.

 

[tommi]

Well that makes me feel alot better about my lack of audio knowledge
are you sure a peice of 1/2 " concrete board witch is generally used on a
bathroom tub area but it is 1/2" of concrete that wouldn't block interferance from 12 g. to 14/2 maybe it's just my construction mind kicking in anyway I got 22" and they are on opposite studs & the right angles are 3" apart so i should have great sound in my reno'd living rm.

Anyone heard what BOSE invisible 191 speakers sound like ?
Now that I have all this knowledge about installing them woundering what they will sound like in my new proposed living rm.
Did buy the BOSE wave radio with cd it's about the size of a clock radio but the quality of sound from that little unit blew me away very expensive
but excellent sound hope the 191 ceiling speakers are the same
any comments would be helpful

THANKS TO ALL YOUR NORTHERN FRIEND FROM BARRIE ONT.

 

[Electone]

Well that makes me feel alot better about my lack of audio knowledge
are you sure a peice of 1/2 " concrete board witch is generally used on a
bathroom tub area but it is 1/2" of concrete that wouldn't block interferance from 12 g. to 14/2 maybe it's just my construction mind kicking in anyway I got 22" and they are on opposite studs & the right angles are 3" apart so i should have great sound in my reno'd living rm.

Anyone heard what BOSE invisible 191 speakers sound like ?
Now that I have all this knowledge about installing them woundering what they will sound like in my new proposed living rm.
Did buy the BOSE wave radio with cd it's about the size of a clock radio but the quality of sound from that little unit blew me away very expensive
but excellent sound hope the 191 ceiling speakers are the same
any comments would be helpful

THANKS TO ALL YOUR NORTHERN FRIEND FROM BARRIE ONT.

Boy have you picked the wrong web site to ask about Bose! Most of the people here will tell you that Bose speakers are mediocre at best and wayyyyy over-priced for what you get. Bose relies on very good marketing to get the average consumer to believe that they are buying the best technology when in fact, they are not.

 

[tommi]

To late for advice on the in ceiling speakers already purchased the bose 191
invisibles but have not installed them still in the rough in stage but I did buy the bose wave radio/cd knowing I was gutting my living rm. therefor moving out all my furniture including my beloved harmon cardon sterio
I agree the wave radio was way over priced but haven't heard that kind of sound from a 9"X12" sized clock radio and thats about the size of it
It's my only source of music while renovating I think you need to actually
listen to it to appriciate the sound that comes out of something that small

Hopefully my in ceiling speakers will be as good
Your scaring me with the mediocre label

 

[billy p]

I agree the wave radio was way over priced but haven't heard that kind of sound from a 9"X12" sized clock radio and thats about the size of it.
Tom, stop while your ahead.Statements like the last one will never get you answers or help.

 

[tommi]

I meant a 9"X12" unit not a 9"X12" speaker As I explained earlier I'm a carpenter not a audio expert so any of the advice I've received I appriciate
very much I think I made that very clear in previous e-mails
I think you misunderstud what I meant by THATS ABOUT THE SIZE OF IT
I literaly meant thats the size of it 9"X12" clock radio and I am impressed with it I guess some people are not And thats fine but I didn't mean any negative conotations or smart *** remarks REALLY I MEANT THATS THE SIZE OF IT 9"X12" clock radio
TOM

 

[Renegades]

In regards to your wiring problem. How about using lead. They come in 3 ft. wide rolls and different thickness 1\16 i believe is available.It is usually used to line walls in X-Ray rooms to prevent radiation from leaking into adjacent rooms. It's non conductive and should block EMI as well. I think this might work although i'm not sure, if you wrap the wire for the length required. Maybe someone else in the group can comment.