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signals34

Enthusiast
can anyone recommend a good speaker wire? for a surround system...I hear monster is good, but what else is as good or better???
 
highfihoney

highfihoney

Audioholic Samurai
it's not the brand name that count's it's matching proper gauge's to the system that count the most,any quality made wire is just as good as the next,monster wire is a good wire.

you never mentioned the lenght of run's you'll be using so i'll just assume long run's of wire,12 gauge wire is good for up to about 50 lft with 4 ohm speaker's & about 100 lft with 8 ohm speaker's.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
Monster is OK; the main problem is it is overpriced unless you buy in large quantities or know someone. I use their X1S because I got it really cheap. I've compared various wires including some exotic Audioquest single conductor wire and the difference was hardly worth mentioning, not to mention not worth the price difference.

Not only how long, but whether or not they'll be run inside the walls, because that would mean you'll want to have UL/CL3 rated wire for the in-wall runs.
 
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senleka

Enthusiast
speaker wires

Check out www.darvex.com, they sell monster and stinger cables and you can find it at a much lower price as compared to other places. I use monster 14/2 CL-3 THX certified cable for my sorrounds and canare 14/4 for my mains and center channel. I've heard that Liberty THX certified cables are also good , you might want to check www.ramelectronics.net. Good luck with your HT setup!!!!
 
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signals34

Enthusiast
Thanks everyone for the replys...I'm just looking for a basic 5.1 setup...wires running along floors. The 2 front and center lenth will be about 12 ft. in lenth and the 2 surronds about 30 ft. long. the same type wire doesn't get used for all 5 speakers, the back 2 use a different wire than the front 3. why is that and whats the difference in the wire????Also is it better to buy bulk and cut to size or buy the correct size with the jacks already on the ends.....
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
Buy a roll of 12 gauge, a wire stripper and a few banana plugs.

You can't go wrong with all 12 gauge runs. It's "big" enough for the longest run and it won't hurt on the shorter runs at all.

When you get the wire note the differences betwen the two wires. It may be a white stripe, one may be silver and the other copper, or anything.

Cut to length (add a few extra feet) and put on the banana plugs. It ain't hard even for a novice.

When you put the banana plugs on the wires, put the "same" (black or red, for duals the marked side) end on the same wire. This will maintain speaker polarity if it's done rignt.
 
Fastnbulbous

Fastnbulbous

Audioholic
I thought I might see more arguments going the other way. For example, Peter Aczel's article, "The Ten Biggest Lies in Audio" --

"...The lie is that high-priced speaker cables and interconnects sound better than the standard, run-of-the-mill (say, Radio Shack) ones. It is a lie that has been exposed, shamed and refuted over and over again by every genuine authority under the sun, but the tweako audio cultists hate authority and the innocents can't distinguish it from self-serving charlatanry.

The simple truth is that resistance, inductance, and capacitance (R, L, and C) are the only cable parameters that affect performance in the range below radio frequencies. The signal has no idea whether it is being transmitted through cheap or expensive RLC. Yes, you have to pay a little more than rock bottom for decent plugs, shielding, insulation, etc., to avoid reliability problems, and you have to pay attention to resistance in longer connections. In basic electrical performance, however, a nice pair of straightened out wire coat hangers with the ends scraped is not a whit inferior to a $2,000 gee-whiz miracle cable. Nor is 16-gauge lamp cord at 18 cents a foot. Ultrahigh-priced cables are the biggest scam in consumer electronics, and the cowardly surrender of nearly all audio publications to the pressures of the cable marketers is truly depressing to behold."

Sander Sasson -- "Although there’s some truth to buying good quality cables cables of sufficient gauge instead of hooking all your loudspeakers up with telephone cable, that’s about as much as there is to it. The simple truth is that resistance (R), capacitance (C), and inductance (L) per foot and the length of cable used are the only parameters that have any effect in the audible spectrum, 20Hz to 20KHz, for which these cables are used. Other parameters that could affect the signal as it propagates through the cable, such as the often mentioned skin-effect, only come into effect at frequencies several magnitudes above this range, hence have no effect at all. The capacitance and inductance of generic speaker cables is neglectable, so only resistance will play a role. Therefore a good rule of thumb is that for runs up to 10-feet a 2x1.5mm^2 cable will do just fine, up to 50-feet 2x2.5mm^2 is sufficient, and for longer runs 2x4.0mm^2 is required."

On the other hand, I've heard arguments about euphonic distortion....
 
JVC

JVC

Banned
I got a 100 ft. roll of 14 ga.from Lowes, for about $25.
Just as good as any other ................. :)
Good luck!
 
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da5176

Audioholic Intern
Go to Wal Mart, $9.00 for 50 ft 14AWG. And O2 free it your in to it.
 
Fastnbulbous

Fastnbulbous

Audioholic
There is no Walmart in Chicago that I know of. I hate Walmart anyway. Is there anywhere else to get a decent deal? Radio Shack only goes to 16 gauge, which is a little difficult to attach banana plugs to.

If there's nothing better, I could get it online. However, the Walmart site only has <a href=http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=2181629&dept=3944&path=0%3A3944%3A3964%3A133270%3A4537>this</a> for $19.95. Also, there's no Automotive section on the site.

<a href=http://www.speakercity.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?>Speaker City</a> has 100' 14 ga for $27.95, but they charge nearly $12 shipping! <a href=http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=214940-578-PM62122&lpage=none>Lowes</a> has similar for $24.95, but won't let me check out, probably because they're out of stock.
 
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Fastnbulbous

Fastnbulbous

Audioholic
Finally managed to order from Lowes. After much searching, it looks like the next-best deal to the wire in Wal Mart's automotive dept.
 
jcsprankle

jcsprankle

Audioholic
Make it look good...

If you're concerned about looks too, take one of the above mentioned speaker cables and add some braided sleeving and heatshrink and you've got yourself a fantastic looking cable for very little $$. There are several online retailers that carry the Techflex sleeving and heatshrink. Have fun!
 
Fastnbulbous

Fastnbulbous

Audioholic
Needed more wire and both Lowes and Walmart are sold out and have nothing similar to replace it. What's up with that? Don't people need speaker wire anymore? Or does everyone just go to Radio Shack?

Don't see any decent 14 gauge, but there is 100-Ft. 16-Gauge White for $20.

Does anyone use the flexible banana plugs they have for $2.79 a pair?
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
The flexible bananas look pretty cheap. I'd probably skip them. I use the 091-330 from Parts Express.
 

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