Speaker efficiency vs sensitivity

TLS Guy

TLS Guy

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I'm just trying to understand what Paul was saying. So horns have more a focused beam of intensity directly in front and the sensitivity is extremely high but the efficiency, as I understand it now, is based on intensity from all angles. So if horns are the most efficient designs possible then they must focus well at all angles...

If a speaker does not radiate sound at other angles well then it's efficiency won't be as high. I could be completely off-base with my interpretation of all of this. I just figured that if horn-loaded speakers were the most sensitive speakers with the best efficiency that would imply that their on-axis sound intensity is very high as well as off-axis results...

Does any of that make sense ?
In terms of high frequency dispersion the horn design allows for critical control of dispersion, and normally to limit it.

For instance horn design is used to limit coverage to audience and limit sound to reflective surfaces spoiling speech clarity as one example.

Good total horn designs can increase efficiency by many orders of magnitude, over other types of loading.
 
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I'm just trying to understand what Paul was saying. So horns have more a focused beam of intensity directly in front and the sensitivity is extremely high but the efficiency, as I understand it now, is based on intensity from all angles. So if horns are the most efficient designs possible then they must focus well at all angles...

If a speaker does not radiate sound at other angles well then it's efficiency won't be as high. I could be completely off-base with my interpretation of all of this. I just figured that if horn-loaded speakers were the most sensitive speakers with the best efficiency that would imply that their on-axis sound intensity is very high as well as off-axis results...

Does any of that make sense ?
Think of a point source speaker as if it were a small, bare light bulb and a horn as a very focused flashlight. The intensity is higher because all of the light is going in a narrow direction, even though the bulb may be rated as lower Wattage than the bare bulb. Also, in a free field, sound diminishes at a rate that's covered by the Inverse Square rule, which means that, as the distance doubles, the output becomes 1/4 of what it is at the original spot. If the space is highly reverberant, some of the sound/light reflects back and is still useful.

The sound from a horn can't be heard very well from the sides, unless it was designed for wide dispersion.

Volume, in dB, is how loud it's measured to be but intensity is how the sound or light is perceived.
 
Paul_Apollonio

Paul_Apollonio

Audioholic Intern
Wow, thanks guys for the discussion. I've been discussing this with an EE on one of the forums and he tells me that if you double the efficiency and you increase sensitivity by 3 dB's and that Sensitivity(dB) = 112 + 10*log(efficiency)

That is a direct relationship without other variables. He doesn't seem to think that there is much of a difference between efficiency and sensitivity because both variables are average values integrated over a frequency band.

I'm no EE. But from discussions with other guys, both terms mean two different things. There is no water tight relationship between the two.
OK. Hang on here comes some math. Efficiency = power out/power in. 1 Electrical watt = 1 Acoustic watt in a perfect loudspeaker, 100% efficient. Lets assume we have a normal speaker, 1.25% efficient, about 93 db SPL on axis at 1 meter. We double the sensitivity. Now it is at 96 db SPL. OK 10 log (ratio of powers) = increase or decrease in DB. (10 log 2 = 3.01 db) If we consider PRESSURE, this is 20 times the log of the ratio. (Double the pressure is four times the power = four times the efficiency or 6db more) 20 log 2 = 6.02 db. Invert the ratio, and you get a minus sign. 20 log 0.5 = -6.02db. Simple enough (if you own a calculator). That an ELECTRICAL guy doesnt understand the relationship between directivity and sensitivity and efficiency does not really surprise me. They have no analogous space in their field. Imagine your sound power is represented by a balloon. The volume contained in the balloon represents the power output of the speaker. This ballon is a sphere. You arbitrarily mark one point on the surface 0 degrees horizontal. Make the same point 0 degrees vertical. This is your origin. Now. Squeeze that balloon. Make it elliptical so that it is pushed off center with the 0 by 0 degree point facing the listener, now closer to that listener. (IT GOT LOUDER). Despite that, the air volume inside the balloon remains unchanged. That means the efficiency is the same. (No volume change). The sensitivity is that number we see in FRONT at 0 by 0 degrees. TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. Tell your EE friend to stay away from loudspeakers, and stick to what he knows. Sorry for the delay in my posts. If you guys want answers fast, email me. papollonio@yahoo.com
 
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Vaughan Odendaa

Senior Audioholic
Wow, thanks Paul ! I really appreciate your detailed reply. Always nice to know that I count on the experts to help out.
 
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