Speaker Choice - Reference

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emcandrew

Audioholic Intern
Hi ya'll... I've been lurking around here the last two days or so, trying to soak up some info so that I can make a good choice on speakers.

I went over to a friend’s house the other day and we watched a bit of a movie with his Bose system. And I do admit, that his Bose system sounds better than my existing system. He has practically the same receiver that I have, so the difference is most probably the speakers and minor room differences.

Anyway, so I came on here researching Polk Audio speakers cause I believe the Bose are over priced, but now find myself incredibly attracted to what I'm hearing about the Klipsch Reference speakers. For me, I dig the looks of the gold cones. Sound is most important, but cool looks score points too.

Current 5.1 Setup:

Onkyo HT-R557 Receiver
Onkyo SKC-750C Center
JVC SX-F7TH Front (x2)
Onkyo SKM-750S Rear (x2)
Onkyo SKW-750 Sub
Mitsubishi 72" HDTV
Room Size is approximately 17x20 (guesstimation)

OK, so as you can tell, I don't have the best equipment. As a matter of fact, my JVC fronts I believe absolutely suck. The Onkyo receive is a recent (2 year ago) upgrade from SA-AX7 Technics. I believe I went in the right direction with that, but again, I'm very much nowhere near an audiophile...

So anyway, on to my question. I've never had or watched a movie on any of my systems and had that "oh my god" experience that we all crave. I've heard some neat stuff, but never that ultimate experience. To that extent, Kevin's (the friend) Bose Acoustimass 10 IV speakers are closer to that experience than I have now. And, in doing my diligent research, I find that I tend to agree with the consensus that while they appeal to some, based on their construction and capabilities, I feel they're over priced. I do agree that they're missing a lot of mids and don't care for pushing mids out of the sub (if you can call their bass module a sub).

HHGreg and Best Buy carry the newer model Klipsch lines, but not the ones that I like, so auditioning them isn't really possible for me. I've found some used (local) Klipsch RF-3ii's combined with a RC-3 Center for the front for $700 ($500 for the fronts and $200 for the center), but that seems a little high considering that they're older and I can get the RF-25's NIB off eBay for around $450 or the RF-35's NIB off eBay for $799 and the RC-35 NIB for $165. Or even the RF-52's for $568 or the RF-63's for $719. Either way if I wait; for about another $300 or so, I could get newer speakers, but are they better for me? Are the RF-15's too small? Are the RF-35's too big? Which ones are right for me? I don't know... What's the difference in all of them? my head hurts!

I'm not looking for the million dollar audio system, just something that makes me happy that I spent the money.

In a perfect world, I'd find something (2 fronts and center) in the $500 range that I can later add to (rears & sub), but I can stretch myself to the $700 range if the deal is worth it.

Lastly, what does it mean when you guys say that X sounds "forward" or "harsh" or "bright" ??

Thanks for reading my novel!

Lastly, I'm 90% Theater and 10% Music; but that'll change if I have a better sounding system...

Ed
 
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AVRat

AVRat

Audioholic Ninja
Welcome to the site Ed! Do you have to take into account SAF (Spousal Acceptance Factor)? You have a nice sized display, so you really want the sound system to compliment it. Two things really account for the ”OMG” HT experience, a cohesive front soundstage and a good quality sub, which is where your problem lies.

I’ve heard Klipsch Reference speakers in good and bad environments, so the perceived sound can be a crap shoot! "Harsh" or "bright" - think of fingernails on a chalkboard to differing degrees. Forwardness is more about an emphasis in the midrange. If the Bose sound doesn’t bother you too much, then the Klipsch may work for you. I wouldn’t look at anything less than the RF-25s, due to their driver sizes. However, you’re room isn’t overly large so even a good set of bookshelfs, RB-25/35/51/61, would work well. BTW, Polks RTi A series isn’t bad, tending toward the forward side. They do have a different sound than the Klipsch. If you can, you really need to listen to some of these systems to see if they’ll work for you.

Now the other side of the coin is that there are some good quality IT direct options that you really can’t hear before purchase but offer in-home audition and satisfaction guarantee options if you don’t like them.
 
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emcandrew

Audioholic Intern
Thanks for the welcome!

I struck a deal and am picking up two mint condition RF-3ii's and a RC-3 tomorrow. I think after that, I'll work on a new sub and then finally the two rear. I'm excited to finally be out of the retail store trap and have some real info on quality equipment (not that these are the best speakers in the world). Hopefully I can start building my "OMG" system the right way now! :p
 
AVRat

AVRat

Audioholic Ninja
Congrats, I'm sure you'll notice a big difference right away.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
I think the Mitsubishi TV is a 73" DLP?

And I think the Klipsch will sound better than your friend's Bose.
 
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emcandrew

Audioholic Intern
Sorry, yes you're right... it's a 73" DLP

I'm thinking from what I've read that they should sound better too! I'll start finding out tonight! :D

 
AVRat

AVRat

Audioholic Ninja
Yeah, I'm hoping the info I received last fall about a 75" LaserVue this Spring comes to fruition!:D:D:eek::cool:
 
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emcandrew

Audioholic Intern
WOW... all I can say is WOW...

I spent hours listening to various music ranging from Phil Collins to Van Morrison to Styx, Audio Slave Disturbed, Moody Blues etc... You name it, I auditioned it... MAN I love em'

The bass is a little lacking, but that's not the RF-3's that my weak sub. Need one of those next and some better speaker wire (using crap right now).

I think I've created a monster in myself! I can see a couple more grand going into stereo equipment...
 
AVRat

AVRat

Audioholic Ninja
Don't over spend on cabling. Checkout Monoprice.com.
 
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Imitation

Audioholic Intern
Don't over spend on cabling. Checkout Monoprice.com.
Definitely, I bought some 100ft 14ga and I was very happy with it, very easy to work with. 100ft for like 12 bucks I think. I personally like the clear insulation on it so i can see the copper underneath. I wanted to go with bluejeans cable but I just couldn't justify going up a size and it costing me just over dbl per foot compared to monoprice.
 
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emcandrew

Audioholic Intern
I picked up 100 ft of Monster XP at Home Depot for $29.00... I was there looking to buy regular lamp wire but figured the Monster was a great price compared to Best Buy where it was $89.00.... :)
 
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