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Lol, at my age, I'll be ecstatic if I last 20!40 years ?? !! LOL, you'll be lucky if it last 20 !!
Lol, at my age, I'll be ecstatic if I last 20!40 years ?? !! LOL, you'll be lucky if it last 20 !!
Do they (Shunyata) make any AVR, AVP, Amps or Speakers?where have you been ? It already has ...........
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Well, imagine guys like you and me running Sound United. How bad can we be?Good point, the new CEO (if I got that right) said "“I have long been a fan (and proud owner) of Sound United’s iconic brands and am honored to steward them through the next generation of technological evolution”
I think we may be surprised, just wait and see. If not, I can always hold my nose and switch to Yamaha, may be even Anthem (only because it is Canadian).
do you really need to ask ?Do they (Shunyata) make any AVR, AVP, Amps or Speakers?
I've never heard of them. Do you own something from them?do you really need to ask ?
Mike, are you trying to stir up the pot again?Yeah, poor Denon,Onkyo, Marantz getting past around like a Redheaded step child in foster care. Lolo. Just buy Yamaha.
Sound United faces many challenges...One of the main guys at Sound United quit last summer and it was a shock to me. #concerned
Good sir, this is the Audioholics forum, the damn sky is falling!!!Wow. (Again.)
Y'all are some reactionary @$$ MoFos.
Don't get me wrong, it's surprising... and I completely get the potential of problems.
At the same time... How many times have some of these brands changed Ownership? And survived.
Let's not lose sight of the fact Denon has achieved some of the most consistently high measurements from ASR for AVRs while going from owner to owner.
The proof will be in the pudding.
This years gear should be announced soon (*fingers crossed), and since taking last year off D&M have had 2 years to work the kinks out of their new models.
The new Polk and DefTech Speakers have all looked pretty good and measure well. B&W is B&W (*siezure inducing eye roll).
We can be afraid, or we can see what comes of this.
I think more importantly this wasn't taken over by a capital acquisitions company that specialize in dismantling and selling off corporate pieces.
I'm going to take the wait and see approach. The sky isn't falling until it's actually falling.
Exactly! That's why I'm buying Trinnov for my processor. 10 year warranty! Top company for real processors, not that sellout junk Sound United puts out. For my amps I'm going with Bryston amps. 20 year Warranty! For projector I'm going with Christie Eclipse. And no worries, all of my cables will be made here in America by the one and only AudioQuest. I'm going all quality in my next build. Will not give a dime to those sellouts Sound United. No Sir!Unfortunately I don't think this is likely due to HDCP protocols. This really puts smaller manufacturers out of the picture. As picture resolution increases the HDCP protocols become increasingly draconian.
Each device requires its own secret keys, which if released will cause a manufacturer to loose their HDCP license. I believe there are around 40 Keys to each device and program source. These now have to be passed between end and repeater devices, and between repeater devices on a frame by frame basis.
This should never have been allowed to occur, even if meant every Hollywood studio closed up shop.
The point is that this really rules out small manufacturers, and really some large ones as well. I think it really hurts to profitability of manufacturing AV gear.
In my view this is a root cause of the quality of gear going into exponential decline, especially in these latter years since the analog sunset. Although I have to say that basic engineering quality has been in decline for half a century now. It seems to take a notch down with every merger and acquisition.
My advice to you all, is to choose your equipment with the greatest care. Go for quality now, more than ever. Look after your gear very carefully and avoid abuse, and this includes maximum protections ahead of the mains plug to the device. No a surge protector is not going to cut it.
Lol, man! Can't even have a lil fun. Already got one dumb hit.. lol. on a more serious note, what I didn't know was Sherwood/Inkel builds 85% of Denon/Marantz. Umm didn't Emotiva back in the day have Sherwood build most of their gear, amps, AVR's? Anyways Andrew, it's messed up about SU no matter how one looks at the sell off.Mike, are you trying to stir up the pot again?
Those DM boys will be on you now! Start running.
Oh no. Don't put Emotiva in the same sentence or even the same PAGE or BOOK as Denon/Marantz! You just can't win, Mike. Oh, da bad luck.Lol, man! Can't even have a lil fun. Already got one dumb hit.. lol. on a more serious note, what I didn't know was Sherwood/Inkel builds 85% of Denon/Marantz. Umm didn't Emotiva back in the day have Sherwood build most of their gear, amps, AVR's? Anyways Andrew, it's messed up about SU no matter how one looks at the sell off.
Hmmm...Lol, man! Can't even have a lil fun. Already got one dumb hit.. lol. on a more serious note, what I didn't know was Sherwood/Inkel builds 85% of Denon/Marantz. Umm didn't Emotiva back in the day have Sherwood build most of their gear, amps, AVR's? Anyways Andrew, it's messed up about SU no matter how one looks at the sell off.
You think they eventually lost more money from B&W than from DM?Sound United faces many challenges...
- Too many brands
- Originally loudspeaker brands had higher profit margins than electronics
- Their HEOS royalty settlement with Sonos was expensive
- They didn't have their own factories for electronics, as Sherwood/Inkel builds 85% of Denon/Marantz
- SoundBar market is significant but here the Sound United brands are weak and uncompetitive
Bottom line...
Charlesbank Capital Partners that funded and controlled Sound United was not satisfied with their return on investment, as many of the other Charlesbanks holdings in consumer and business services were significantly higher. They had funded Sound United(and DEI) for over 10 years, had (3) members on their board and decided it was time to cash out..
Just my $0.02...
Heck probably bothYou think they eventually lost more money from B&W than from DM?
phfff, Bowers and Wilkins is a cash cow. No way they lost money on that deal. Owning the top speaker maker in the world there is no way they could lose money on that deal. Those 800D4's alone turn profits!Heck probably both
Well than, it is true, glad Yamaha and Sherwood doesn't have any ties or past ties. You know what they say birds of a feather flock together, like ole Sleepy Joe and that China dude Xi Jumping.Yep good ole buttbuddys I tell ya. Sherwood, Emotiva, Denon, Marantz, wow. Oh poor Onkyo to huh.Oh no. Don't put Emotiva in the same sentence or even the same PAGE or BOOK as Denon/Marantz! You just can't win, Mike. Oh, da bad luck.
Men at Work: "You better run, you better take cover."
Yamaha's annual NET REVENUE is about $4 Billion. So I bet they can afford their own factory in Malaysia.Well than, it is true, glad Yamaha and Sherwood doesn't have any ties or past ties. You know what they say birds of a feather flock together, like ole Sleepy Joe and that China dude Xi Jumping.Yep good ole buttbuddys I tell ya. Sherwood, Emotiva, Denon, Marantz, wow. Oh poor Onkyo to huh.
So let me get this straight, Sherwood makes 85% of Denon, Marantz,Onkyo. Sherwood use to build Emotiva gear in the past. So umm than that'll make Emotiva, Denon, Onkyo and Marantz, cousins?Yamaha's annual NET REVENUE is about $4 Billion. So I bet they can afford their own factory in Malaysia.
But smaller companies have to outsource production.