Some Schools Are Leaving Recess Behind

Buckeyefan 1

Buckeyefan 1

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I'm at a loss for words on this one. With obesity in school age children as high as it's ever been, lets take away the little bit of exercise our kids get in school. Sure, it starts with the parents and eating habits, but recess is an outlet for children to be themselves. It provides a break in the day and some time to make friends.

By BEN FELLER, AP Education Writer Tue May 16, 6:40 PM ET
WASHINGTON - One sure way to get parents exercised is to take away recess, the playful part of the school day when their kids can run wild. In some places, it no longer exists.

The proportion of schools that don't have recess ranges from 7 percent for first and second grades to 13 percent by sixth grade, new government figures show.

Put in perspective, the overwhelming majority of elementary schools still offer recess each day, usually for about 25 minutes. Most children get one recess a day, if not two or three.

What troubles parents, though, is a sense that recess is under siege, so much that the Cartoon Network and the National PTA have launched a "Rescuing Recess" campaign. Kids are leading the huge letter-writing effort to school officials with one theme: Let us play.

"The reason I get riled up — and that most parents do — is we see recess as an opportunity for children to play," said Diane Larson, a mother of four in Tacoma, Wash. "It's a time for children to be imaginative, to show innovation on the playground. And it's one of the times when kids actually get to interact with their friends."

Larson and other parents in her district want elementary schools to offer separate recess periods each day, but students often get only their lunch periods to let loose. The recess drop-off is most noticeable in third grade, she said, when preparation for testing kicks in.

Where recess is in decline, school leaders usually blame academic pressures. Under federal law, schools must test and show progress in reading and math starting in third grade.

But how schools manage their time is a local decision. Recess competes with many other activities for schedule time, from music and arts to gym classes and computer classes.

At Rivers Edge Elementary outside Richmond, Va., children get only one gym class a week, which makes their daily recess period even more important, said PTA President Wendy Logan.

"The kids study all day, and they need some time for social activities," Logan said. "And those kids who struggle sitting the whole day — they're the ones who need it the most."

Nationwide, 99 percent of elementary schools schedule time for physical education apart from recess. More than half, though, offer those gym classes only once or twice a week.

Elementary schools in poor communities offer less recess, and less overall time for exercise during the school week, than other schools, the government study found.

The 2005 school figures, released Tuesday, come from the Education Department's first study on food and exercise in public elementary schools. It includes no data from previous years to determine, for example, whether recess has been declining over time.

Local disputes over the elimination of recess have popped up in Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, Miami and other communities. Such local stories, not the national picture, worry parents.

To them, recess is an institution — how could an elementary school not have it? When are kids supposed to yell with their friends, play tag or kickball, just have some fun?

"It's how I believe they start building their social structure," said Sandi Hocker, a mother of two in San Antonio, Texas. "Their P.E. classes are organized, and they are activity related. I think (children) need recess just for the socialization."

In an informal survey by the National PTA of its state leaders, more than half said daily recess is at risk. Only 9 percent were confident recess would not be reduced in their school.

The Cartoon Network has pledged more than $1.3 million to save recess. That includes more than $300,000 in grants to PTA chapters for participating in the ongoing letter campaign.

Mark Schneider, commissioner of the National Center of Education Statistics, presented the government findings on recess and exercise. He declined to draw conclusions from them.

But given the obesity rates among children, he said: "I think we should all be concerned about any schools that aren't providing sufficient physical activities."
 
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Johnd

Audioholic Samurai
And the funny thing is, those schools are probably full of soda, snack and candy machines, while their cafeteria probably doles out grease-laiden french fries and burgers. When I was in school, while we had soda machines they were not heavily used. I usually brown bagged it too. Go figure.
 
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10010011

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Buckeyefan 1 said:
Under federal law, schools must test and show progress in reading and math starting in third grade.
This is the problem... The No Child Left Behind act was poorly written, so now we have teachers wasting time teaching kids how to pass a test instead of just teaching them. I don't claim to know what the cure is for our failing public education system but standarized testing is not it.
 
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markw

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I blame the parents.

I think the culture they are raised in has a lot to do with the quality of the education the kids receive. Instead of looking to blame the teachers, the system and whoever else they can think of, the parents should simply buckle down and take an active part in their child's education.

Make sure they learn their lessons.
Make sure they do their homework.
Make sure they show up for school on time every day after feeding them a good breakfast.
Make sure that when the teacher says the kid might have problems, either academically or personally) they look first the child and not try to blame the system.

I do notice that in our local papers, most of the scholastic achievers I see pictured tend to come from parents who immigrated from the Asian continent, not from white-bread America (of which I am a member). Could they be doing something we're not?

And, yes, teaching kids to pass a test is not the same as teaching them how to think.
 
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gene

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The No Child Left Behind act was poorly written, so now we have teachers wasting time teaching kids how to pass a test instead of just teaching them. I don't claim to know what the cure is for our failing public education system but standarized testing is not it.
I couldn't agree with you more. Both my brother and my cousin are teachers in the public school system in Florida. They and other teachers have confirmed that the only way teachers get a raise here is if their students do well on the FCAD's. This is one of many reasons why I have my child in private school. She is just graduating kindergarten and can already read simple books, write complete sentences, add and subtract and multiply by 10s. I know parents who have kids in public schools in first grade that cannot do most of these things.
 
Tom Andry

Tom Andry

Speaker of the House
I've a pet peeve with people blaming standardized testing for all the world's ills. Especially when their solution is a big fat whopping nothing. I've discussing standardized tests at length here with the most relevant post being this one.

gene said:
She is just graduating kindergarten and can already read simple books, write complete sentences, add and subtract and multiply by 10s. I know parents who have kids in public schools in first grade that cannot do most of these things.
And that is because of the school or your parenting skills?
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

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Wow, this thread sure got away from the idea of recess in a hurry.

Getting rid of recess is bad for many reasons. As Buckeyefan 1 says, it provides the possibility of exercise for children who need it, and an opportunity for them to make friends and socialize (a good skill to have). It also provides a break, which is useful for learning. No breaks is bad for their ability to learn; isn't this obvious to everyone?

I am so glad I don't have children, so they won't be put into such silly places. It seems that most of the changes made these days to improve learning have had the opposite effect. Mind you, I am not going to wax poetically about the "good old days", which had plenty of problems.

But basically, I blame parents for not taking enough interest in their children's education. The state is only going to be able to do so much with your children; unless they completely take them off your hands, you are responsible for much of what they do. Do parents make their children do their homework instead of playing video games or watching TV or doing something else? If not, then they should blame themselves for their children's poor performance, not the teacher, who cannot stand over the students in the evening and make them do what they are supposed to do. I think too many parents try to abdicate responsibility for their children's education, and then blame others for not taking up the slack, which they could not possibly do without taking the children away from their parents entirely. Also, teachers need to be able to get rid of problem students who hold back the entire class. But the reason they can't do such things is that parents complain when it is their troublesome brat who must be put in a different class or expelled. So, again, it is parents who are primarily the problem.

If you have children, their education is your responsibility. The state can only aid you, not be a substitute for you, unless you give them up completely (hopefully, before you ruin them).
 
Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
Nothing says obey me like a bloody head on a fence post. :D

I have nothing to add to this conversation, cause' I was taught in a socailist country. :rolleyes: :D

SheepStar
 
Buckeyefan 1

Buckeyefan 1

Audioholic Ninja
Most of my generation (whom are parents - mid 30's) are plain lazy IMO. I've never seen so many lackadaisical people with kids in my life. It's amazing. I rarely see a kid or their parents outside on a sunny Saturday or Sunday afternoon until after 4pm. What do people do - wait, let me guess... surf the net, watch tv, eat, and play video games. To top that off, where's the discipline? Kids seem to be much more rude towards adults then I remember us being as kids.

Parents are getting home late from work, eating well after 7pm, watching a few prime time shows, and not spending the quality time with kids as a generation ago. With dual income families, it's amazing these kids get any one on one time with parents. I wonder how many middle school and older children are left alone after school, to surf the net or text friends until mom and dad get home.

I say get these kids into sports (or music) as soon as possible. It teaches responsibility, and time management. Homework is number one, but sports and extracurricular activities can only aide in the success of our childrens future.
 
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mustang_steve

Senior Audioholic
Having been in a private school at first, than in a medicore public school, then into a top notch public school, and finally graduating from a pathetic public school I can say one thing:

We NEED national standardization.

It will not "hold anyone back", if a proper method for allowing exceptional students to take independant studies or advanced studies through a local college is allowed.

The problem is twofold:

1) stundents who owrk hard, and trasfer may end up doing things they done over 6 years ago all over again, due to the classes having identical names. I fell into this...I was studying mitochondria in "Biology 1", when I went to Bio1 at the "ghetto school", it was "this is a happy happoy earthworm...see him crawl!!!"... it's that kind of stuff that makes a kid want to firebomb their school.

2)Classes are dumbed down to produce a better "passing yield". This is just unacceptable, and any institution that allows this need to investigate and start reprimanding everyone who allowed this to happen. If we had a set standard, this could not happen...the only way for it to happen is through organized mass cheating...a proposition I highly doubt would ever be used, let alone working.

Everyone deserves a chance at a quality education, regardless of their financial status, or where they happen to live. It just apalls me to see the youth actually end up less educated than those before them...it's not a good thing for them, and it sure as hell is not a good thing for our nation.

Honestly, I think we need to stop spending on making better bullets and grenades, and instead start spending on chalk and erasers.
 
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sjdgpt

Senior Audioholic
When I was in school, reccess for the kids was also known as "teacher break". We kids would run and play while be watched by a revolving group of teachers, while their fellow teachers had their own little break.

Teachers had a chance to socialize, while the students developed social skills.

One of my favorite memories of middle school was the day the 7th grade math class took on a group of teachers in a game of volleyball. Sure we lost, but I did get to spike the ball on my English teacher. :D


I doubt such an impromptu game of volleyball could be played. Lawyers, Liability, and the need to teach THE TEST.


Oh gosh darn, THE TEST.

Ask a child attending any public school what they learned today and the answer will be a test question.

Maybe I went to a progressive public school, but I don't think so. My middle school teachers wanted school to be fun. Somewhere in the middle of the fun, we would learn. Maybe we would learn something useful. Maybe not.


The field trip to the volunteer fire house to play with the hoses and sirens was translated into math problems of calculating flow rate of the hoses and tank capacity of the trucks.

Oh, and we had to write thank you letters to the firemen that gave us the nice tour.

Field trips to a pond to watch Canadian Geese would become a class in Goose biology.

I don't think fire hose flow rates and goose biology is being discussed in today's schools. And maybe that is a problem.

I hire the kids that have been taught the test. The kids get lost in a warehouse and can not find their way out because they were never taught what "EXIT" really means. The kid can perform complex math problems, but are unable to determine the best way to stack a pallet of odd shaped boxes.



Should a test be used to evaluate students, teachers and school districts?

Sure.

But, would it not be better if the students were not allow to know the material before the test was given?
 
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Buckeye_Nut

Audioholic Field Marshall
The problem with public schools is that many are a bunch of lazy, incompetent, bureaucratic, complacent, city employees collecting a check. Yes, I know there are good people working in this system, but as a whole....... the system is broken because of the lack of competition. If private business were run like public schools, most wouldn’t last into their second year. Not until you make schools compete, will they rise up.

Oh well.... Lucky for us, the USA has the best higher education system in the world. If your kid isn’t a flunky, he’ll be just fine by the time he finishes college. On the other hand, you cant save those who don’t want to be saved.
 
Buckeyefan 1

Buckeyefan 1

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I have a different take on inner city schools. I'm willing to bet my next paycheck that if you placed the better inner city teachers in a top notch public suburban school - teaching to the top tier of students, they would win all types of awards. Take some of your better teachers in these ritzy suburban districts, and place them in a run down city school, and I bet they don't win any awards - except for possibly wearing the most body armour.

I'm not a teacher, but I can sympathize with some that have to teach in districts where students would rather make a buck on their next dank sale, or relieve grandma from babysitting duties (grandma is 26).
 
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philh

Full Audioholic
markw said:
I think the culture they are raised in has a lot to do with the quality of the education the kids receive. Instead of looking to blame the teachers, the system and whoever else they can think of, the parents should simply buckle down and take an active part in their child's education.

Make sure they learn their lessons.
Make sure they do their homework.
Make sure they show up for school on time every day after feeding them a good breakfast.
Make sure that when the teacher says the kid might have problems, either academically or personally) they look first the child and not try to blame the system.

I do notice that in our local papers, most of the scholastic achievers I see pictured tend to come from parents who immigrated from the Asian continent, not from white-bread America (of which I am a member). Could they be doing something we're not?

And, yes, teaching kids to pass a test is not the same as teaching them how to think.
Make sure the children do what they are supposed to do....

Got to let that sink in awhile :)

Seriously tho, kids have become masters at not doing what they are supposed to do. My kids (step) were raised in very strict environment, and it's probably more so even now. They've been under my influence for over four years, and even with their great start and continuation, are challenging. The biggest problem we run into is not doing homework. Little one doesn't because she gets teased about all A's. Older one doesn't, because none of her friends have to, why should she. High School principal said in an interview with the local rag, 27% of all students in the high school flunk one class EACH AND EVERY SEMESTER!!!!!!! I can tell you, if they do the homework, they are guaranteed C+ to B-. I know that because the oldest is a terrible test taker. The school district finally put on line the assignment and grades log. That has been a huge asset to us. I watch my next door neighbors kids manipulate them and do what ever they want. The charter school called the parents in for conference, and he was not happy, "it's the schools responsibility to teach, not mine", <sigh>. We've run into good and not so good teachers. My fav was the geography teacher that gave the oldest "0 %" because she drew north/south america to the right of Asia. "everybody knows america is on the left". I still call her a member of the flat earth society. Had one very good math teacher who stopped caring, at least until I called him on the carpet. He did retire the following year, think he realized it was time to go. I sent his graded test back, graded with all the checking and problem errors. Love one social studies teacher who is absolutely amazing. We called a conference with him at the end of the year to get some study habit ideas for the oldest, and several teachers stuck their heads in making comments. We didn't understand what was going on until he explained they mostly only see parents just before the final report card begging for grades. We were happy with her grade from his perspective. Weren't happy from hers, because she was capable of greater achievement.
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

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philh said:
... I watch my next door neighbors kids manipulate them and do what ever they want. The charter school called the parents in for conference, and he was not happy, "it's the schools responsibility to teach, not mine", <sigh>. .... Love one social studies teacher who is absolutely amazing. We called a conference with him at the end of the year to get some study habit ideas for the oldest, and several teachers stuck their heads in making comments. We didn't understand what was going on until he explained they mostly only see parents just before the final report card begging for grades. ...
Please pardon my editing of your post. As I said, the problem is primarily the parents. They generally do whatever they can to wreck the schools, and they are succeeding. "Begging for grades" is a sure sign of a problem in their attitude; they should have been interested in their children actually learning something, and not just at the end of the term. Too bad more parents don't realize that schools were never meant to take over the entire education of their children, only supplement it with things that a parent may not be able to manage for themselves. If someone isn't up to taking the time and trouble to raise children, they shouldn't have them.

Of course, there are some parents who do realize that their children's education is their responsibility. And guess what? Generally, their children do well, regardless of whether they attend public or private schools.
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
Buckeye_Nut said:
The problem with public schools is that many are a bunch of lazy, incompetent, bureaucratic, complacent, city employees collecting a check. Yes, I know there are good people working in this system, but as a whole....... the system is broken because of the lack of competition. If private business were run like public schools, most wouldn’t last into their second year. Not until you make schools compete, will they rise up.

Oh well.... Lucky for us, the USA has the best higher education system in the world. If your kid isn’t a flunky, he’ll be just fine by the time he finishes college. On the other hand, you cant save those who don’t want to be saved.
Although many teachers and administrators are as you say, I don't think that is the root of the problem. Teachers who want to actually teach, and who want to fail students who deserve to fail, get a lot of flak from parents whose little brat deserves to fail (or be expelled). Parents basically won't let teachers teach, and therefore one gets lazy "teachers" who don't teach because the situation encourages this. Those who start out as good teachers generally do one of three things:

  1. Quit in disgust, as they cannot effectively do their jobs.
  2. Become lazy and not really teach, as that is what they are strongly encouraged to do.
  3. Keep banging their heads against the wall and tilting at windmills, for their entire careers, or until they are fired for trying to do their jobs well (with much cheering from worthless parents whose little brat was failed by such a teacher).

Of course, there is the occasional school where this is not the usual way, but often those schools have the luxury of being able to get rid of worthless students, who are generally made so by their worthless parents.

The system isn't broken because of a lack of competition; it is broken because parents have broken it.
 
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Buckeye_Nut

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I'll agree that bad parenting is a definite factor of why inner city schools grade so poorly, but it isnt because of too much parental involvement, and not allowing the teachers to teach. It's the exact opposite.
This is an unfortunate reality that the schools have no control over, and throwing more money at the schools wont fix the problem.

If you have a broken parent raising a broken kid, they'll just have to be left behind. Their failure is their own doing, and the schools cannot be held responsible for that situation.
 
jeffsg4mac

jeffsg4mac

Republican Poster Boy
The problem with our school system is simple. Our children are not being taught. Period. Both of my boys homework is a joke, the younger one has hardly any. All his teachers do is send home stupid projects that my wife or I end up doing. I let him do one project by himself and he gets an D because it was not well made. WTH? he was 10. I also do not believe in this 3 months off for summer. BS, let them go to school for the entire year, with only holiday breaks and maybe two weeks off in the summer. My older son was friends with a German exchange student last year. After he graduated High-School here in the US, he still had 2 more years left in Germany. What does that tell you?

The solution, I tell you the solution. Teach our kids Reading, Writing and Arithmetic, quit sending stupid projects home for parents to do, give them homework out their little arses, make them go to school all year, and get rid of political correctness and disband the liberal teachers unions.:mad:
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

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Buckeye_Nut said:
I'll agree that bad parenting is a definite factor of why inner city schools grade so poorly, but it isnt because of too much parental involvement, and not allowing the teachers to teach. It's the exact opposite.
This is an unfortunate reality that the schools have no control over, and throwing more money at the schools wont fix the problem.

If you have a broken parent raising a broken kid, they'll just have to be left behind. Their failure is their own doing, and the schools cannot be held responsible for that situation.
Yes and no. It is true that parents need to be more involved in their children's education (see my other posts above). However, the little that many are involved is to complain to the schools to prevent the school from failing their child that deserves to fail. Most schools cave in to such pressure, as, of course, school boards are mostly elected, and annoyed parents can vote them out. So many parents actively damage the system.
 
annunaki

annunaki

Moderator
As a parent, no one wants their child to get bad grades. Begging the teacher to cut some slack is definitely not the answer. Many good teachers hands are tied because of all the PC bull crap that goes on in schools today. Kids are the ultimate manipulators. The way I see it, they are manipulating the schools into not teaching them. Adults need to be just that, ADULTS. Stand up and put your foot down, or kids WILL walk all over you. If the kid comes home and the kid is whining that the teacher is hard on them, the first thing that should come to mind is what did the kid do to merit the treatment. The last thing a parent should worry about is what they can do to punish the teacher.

My six year old is almost finished with kindergarden. She is in a public school. She can read, write, and do basic math. She is well ahead of her classmates. I believe that most of that is due to the enviroment she has at home. We try to teach her every chance we get. Parents need to remember that they are teachers too.
 
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