Some additional A/B testing...

itschris

itschris

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After my speaker wire test I did a week or so ago and reading the thread about preamp hookups, I got to thinking if there'd be any difference in sound quality with different interconnects.

My current setup is my Pioneer Elite 94 hooked up preamp out to my trusty Sunfire Cinema Grand. Currently I'm using my old Monster M1000 interconnects. I got these years ago, so don't hassle me. I have a box full of cables and found some generic albeit sturdy RCA cables. I figured I'd give into some more testing and got my neighbor to help me once again to make it a bit more scientific though I'm sure it's not completely so.

Anyway, I once again listened to my 3 discs that I know very very well. I listened to my current setup first, then had John swap cables or maybe not swap cables and relistened, then swapped again and again. I quit after 6 rounds, because I could hear zero difference... either both casually in the grand scheme of things nor in any focused specific way. I could not detect any tangible or intangible difference.

For the helluva it, we did attach these cheap red/white cables he had and tried those. It was funny, but John immediately said it sounded different. I thought so too, but then thought because I knew they were crappy cables, that my mind made me believe I was hearing something. So with this new theory, I had John sit and listen and I swapped cables. The first time, I told him I was swapping, but didn't. He said it sounded the same. The next time, I still pretended to swap but didn't, he said it sounded the same. The next time, I did hook the M1000's back up and he right away noticed the difference.

Interesting....

Well this is what I've come up with... my opinions only... is that good solid quality cables bring things to even levels or at least so much so that I cannot discern any difference whatsoever. The cheap cables affected the quality in this way - detail. On Barcelona Nights from SPIES, there was noticably absent nuance of the inhaling of the singer just before he belted out a big note... the horns sounded ... well different. The only way I can describe it is that music sounded thin and lacked texture. On Dire Straights, Every Street, the song You and Your friend, which is the very first song I ever heard on Def Techs when they origiinally came out with the BP2000 while I was in colleges years back, is one of those songs where you "feel" the music. You can feel the actual hard plucking of the steel guitar and on a good system, if you close your eyes, you can almost convince yourself they're right there. That feeling was diminished if not gone. You just didn't feel the pluck. It sounded fine, but music was missing that intangible quality.. the thing you just can't put your finger on, but you know is there.

Granted, that listening was subjective because I knew we had those cables hooked up and it could be said that my mind was playing tricks on me, but I don't think I was reaching... not this time.

So my conclusion for preamp/amp interconnects: Quality cables do make a difference... but you don't need $150/pair cables, just good solid cables. It's nice to just confirm what I already know and what we preach around here all the time.
 
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fmw

Audioholic Ninja
Granted, that listening was subjective because I knew we had those cables hooked up and it could be said that my mind was playing tricks on me, but I don't think I was reaching... not this time.
Subjective listening tests are invalid - every time - unless the sonic differences are gross. Any sonic differences with cables would be somewhere between subtle to non existent. They would be non existent with the cables you tested.
 
itschris

itschris

Moderator
Subjective listening tests are invalid - every time - unless the sonic differences are gross. Any sonic differences with cables would be somewhere between subtle to non existent. They would be non existent with the cables you tested.
The only part that was subjective was after both noticed a difference with the type of cables that come in the box with cheap gear and then I decided to just listen to figure out what I was or was not hearing.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
I have not noticed differences with wire, but with interconnects I have found that there are much larger variances. It can be quite obvious comparing garbage "in the box" cables to quality ones, but a good quality cable vs similar (regardless of price) will be much more difficult to tell IMO. I have tried some expensive cables and comparatively, the differences seem to drop off quickly, meaning the point of diminishing returns is pretty low when it comes to ICs.
 
jonnythan

jonnythan

Audioholic Ninja
Next, compare those Monster cables with anything halfway decent instead of the cheapest POS you could find ;)


By the way, your "conclusion" is completely and utterly spurious given the evidence you recounted to us. If you're going to make a show of a quasi-scientific "experiment" or test, don't throw it all out the window by making a "conclusion" that does not in any way whatsoever follow your observations.
 
itschris

itschris

Moderator
Next, compare those Monster cables with anything halfway decent instead of the cheapest POS you could find ;)


By the way, your "conclusion" is completely and utterly spurious given the evidence you recounted to us. If you're going to make a show of a quasi-scientific "experiment" or test, don't throw it all out the window by making a "conclusion" that does not in any way whatsoever follow your observations.
I think you missed my point or obviously I wasn't clear. Monster compared to generic but very good quality cables = no difference = homogenious product.

Homogenious product against very poor quality cables clearly made a differnence... as expected I would think.
 
jonnythan

jonnythan

Audioholic Ninja
I think you missed my point or obviously I wasn't clear. Monster compared to generic but very good quality cables = no difference = homogenious product.

Homogenious product against very poor quality cables clearly made a differnence... as expected I would think.
Ah, I misunderstood your post. Sorry about that. I thought you just compared Monster to some cheapo generic red/white.
 
itschris

itschris

Moderator
Ah, I misunderstood your post. Sorry about that. I thought you just compared Monster to some cheapo generic red/white.
You just lost it somewhere in the 18 paragraphs. I looked back and I did ramble quite a bit. We had a wine party last night and I was bit too "involved" in the festivities. I planned on stopping early, but I hate being a quitter. I still had cobwebs when I wrote that, and my head still has a dull ache.
 
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santeini

Audioholic Intern
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While many of my friends thinks expensive RCA sounds different I always believe spending the money on equipment or speakers.We also went in to the trip of testing rca and speaker cables, the result is almost always the same. Knowing what is being tested always result in,the more expansive the better,and when testing without the price factor and the make,it usually sounds the same.As for me all of my cables are from Belden. They produce good quality cables for a very reasonable price.
 
itschris

itschris

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.As for me all of my cables are from Belden. They produce good quality cables for a very reasonable price.
... and I think that's the lesson I'm confirming... if only in my own mind. I love BFSC's (big fat stupid cables) and don't mind paying a premium for the "look" of a high end cable - to a certain point. Yes of course it gets a bit ridiculous at some price point.

Clearly quality comes first and I've been slowly confirming that as long as you're using quality cables, you should be fine.

PS - I'm geting ready for my next test - Lossless vs Lossy rips. I'm burning some stuff this week and I want to hear for myself in a controlled manner what the differences are and what I can and can't live with. I already know that my ITUNES music sounds very different than some of the originals I have dupes of, but I want to test FLAC, WAV, and the higher bit lossy stuff. That's where I want to see if I notice anything.
 

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