So Denon and Klipsch are a bad combination...

J

JBong

Audioholic Intern
Midnight, you're mentioning 3x Triple 8HT and 2x Slanted 8HT, is that it? Would a Triple 8HT work as the central speaker? If not which JTR speaker should take that role?

Thanks again.
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
Triple 8s would be a nice center speaker, if you've got a nice place to put it. I do reiterate that these are expensive speakers though, if buying brand new. My recommendation is to give jeff a call or email and discuss with him what you're trying to do etc.

Have you considered the Aperion 6Ts? The whole set comes for around your budget and at 6 ohms they're a lot easier to drive than axioms and a lot more neutral than klipsches, although they probably won't have the extreme dynamics and non-compression of JTRs they also won't have the attached price tag:

http://www.aperionaudio.com/product/Intimus6T-DBHybridXD,127,72,289.aspx
 
J

JBong

Audioholic Intern
Granteed, I've just sent an email to Aperion to check if they ship to Europe (I saw some posts on their forums from last year that mentioned that I had to hire a freight forwarder in the US...). In the meantime I've been exchanging some emails with Jeff from JTR. Total costs for the mentioned setup (3x Triple 8HT and 2x Slanted 8HT) is almost 4800USD. Add local VAT and the cost of a good sub and it's way out of my league.
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
You don't need JTR surrounds right away. You could get some triple 8s and some behringer 2030ps locally to use as surrounds. Still wouldn't cover a beastly subwoofer or shipping / etc though.
 
M

MidnightSensi2

Audioholic Chief
Yeah, the T8s would work well across the front. That's what I do:



...

Where I'm at a bit of a loss of a recommendation for you is this: If you buy a nice setup for your flat now, and drop your budget, then when it comes time to do your house you have a system that probably isn't ideal for doing a full out assault dedicated home theater, and resale value on speakers is terrible. So, to me, it's better to buy slower and edge towards what you need for your dedicated system in the house, even if that means using some cheapies for rears or something for a while like GranteedEV recommended. And like right now its not essential you have massive subs, you can't really use them in a flat without a visit from the police....so maybe that's a purchase to save closer to when your moving into your home and use a smaller, less expensive sub in the mean time.

If you just want a matching system /now/, then we can forget the JTRs and stuff and look at more stuff that with shipping will give you a full system in your budget.

What percent is your VAT? Or how does that work with speakers?

...

When I lived in a flat I used bookshelves...

Check this deal out:
http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69337

Maybe go the budget system route and save for your home theater in the house where you'll spend more cheese.
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
^ Hey, do those blinds in your HT ever rattle? Or is that a diffusor?
 
J

JBong

Audioholic Intern
Hi guys.

Further update on this thread: so after several emails, the local Klipsch distributor keeps insisting that the Denon 4311 and the Klipsch speakers are a bad combination.
They claim that after testing the ohm compatibility isn't the best, meaning that the sound produced by the Klipsch speakers lacks "muscle" and texture (in medium-high pitch).

Thus said I'm totally lost here (again).
Should I pick another receiver (Yamaha RX-V3900 with the Klipsch speakers)?
Should I pick the Denon AVR-4311 and another speaker set (Axiom Audio 80-500-180 speaker system)?
Or should I just disregard the distributor's comments and go with the Denon+Klipsch setup?

Thanks for your help.
 
C

Chitown2477

Audioholic
I personally think that Denon and Klipsch combination will be fine. Get what you want and there is always a return policy, i.e. the AVR, if you don't like it.

There may be some other motives behind their lack of willingness to give you what YOU want for YOUR money.

I would check to see how many non-Denon AVRs they actually sell. That may tell you something.
 
J

JBong

Audioholic Intern
So I went to another A/V store and they proposed a speaker seup based on the monitor audio silver series (proposed speaker models: RX8+BXFX+RXW12+RXLCR).

Would you pick the monitor audio over the Klipsch for home cinema?
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
So I went to another A/V store and they proposed a speaker seup based on the monitor audio silver series (proposed speaker models: RX8+BXFX+RXW12+RXLCR).

Would you pick the monitor audio over the Klipsch for home cinema?
Monitor Audio all the way. You will be much happier with those. Did you listen to them?
 
J

JBong

Audioholic Intern
Nope, I'm waiting for a call from the store to do so. They'll be setting up the speaker system from monitor audio with a Yamaha RX-Z7 receiver for a test run (the guy told me the sound is very similar to the one from the 4311 home cinema wise).
 
J

JBong

Audioholic Intern
Hi everyone.

Here's a quick follow-up on the thread:

So I basically gave on the Klipsch and yesterday bought a new 5.1 speaker set (even without having ordered the receiver):

2* Monitor Audio GS20 front speakers:
http://www.monitoraudiousa.com/products/gold-gs/gs20/your-speaker

2* Monitor Audio RX1 back speakers:
http://www.monitoraudiousa.com/products/silver-rx/rx1/your-speaker

1*Monitor Audio RX Center:
http://www.monitoraudiousa.com/products/silver-rx/rx-centre/your-speaker

1* Monitor Audio RXW-12 subwoofer:
http://www.monitoraudiousa.com/products/silver-rx/rxw-12/your-speaker

Quick question: would you buy the Denon 4311ci receiver for this speaker setup or choose a different one?
 
H

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
*bump* for advice on the A/V Receiver model :)
I installed a system in early '97- the receiver is a Denon AVR-987 and the speakers are Dynaudio Audience 52 (L/R), Audience 42C (C) and Audience 42W (rear- shallow and use the wall to maximize the lower mid-bass). These speakers are a much more difficult load than the Klipsch and the system has worked flawlessly for close to 4 years. Any of the Denon receivers should be fine for whatever you want- if you decide on Dynaudio, they have a newer line called Excite, which is designed specifically for people who want to use a receiver. The impedance isn't so low (difficult) that it will cause problems and, having installed as pair of the Excite 32 two weeks ago in the same house, I can say that they're able to fill a good sized room very well.

As far as first-hand experience, I recently built a pair of speakers that use a 2-1/2-way configuration and the impedance bottoms out just below 4 Ohms. The Denon AVR-990 has never run excessively hot, shut down or done anything other than work as it should, at any level.

FWIW, Klipsch bought several companies in the last 10 years and it's not because they wanted to own a bunch of companies. It's because they wanted to be able to ship their products to the rest of the world without needing to go through the whole process of becoming CE certified. It was easier and faster to just spend some of the cash they had accumulated over the decades, having made few changes to their product line, which means they spent almost nothing in development of new products. They had cash and, in the case of Jamo, the founders wanted to retire. The company was worth more than all of the other shareholders would have been able to accumulate if they were to buy it, so the shares were put into a holding company, to make it easier if a buyer came along.

Personally, I would look at other speaker brands like Dynaudio, Canton, Jamo (since Klipsch has left the designers fairly un-molested) etc. I installed a pair of the Dynaudio DM2/6 earlier this week at the same house and, while I didn't get a chance to listen to them for long, they were very full-sounding, especially considering the size of the bass driver.

Until I got my Denon receiver earlier this year, I hadn't owned anything other than some kind of separates since 1978. It would be pretty expensive (and take up a lot of space) if I wanted to have the same features in separates now. The sound quality is very good and at this point, I neither have the desire nor the time to look under every leaf for the best piece of equipment for my system. I still want really good sound, but I'm not going to jump through too many hoops to get it.
 
AVRat

AVRat

Audioholic Ninja
For me, the Denon's a no-brainer, but the Marantz SR7005 and Yamaha A2/3000 are also good viable options.
 
J

JBong

Audioholic Intern
highfigh, I think you missed my last post, I bought the monitor audio speakers. Question now is what receiver on the denon 4311ci price range would you pick...

AVRat, can you please confirm you'd pick the denon for the monitor audio speakers I've bought?

Thanks!
 
H

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
highfigh, I think you missed my last post, I bought the monitor audio speakers. Question now is what receiver on the denon 4311ci price range would you pick...

AVRat, can you please confirm you'd pick the denon for the monitor audio speakers I've bought?

Thanks!
Sorry, I though you had put the purchase on hold. I would still use a Denon.
 
digicidal

digicidal

Full Audioholic
A couple of things I noticed that appear to be in error - the RF-82 II speakers are very, very easy loads (as are pretty much all Klipsch models from the cheapest Synergy to the Klipschorns). As per the specs from their site they are listed as "8-Ohm Compatible" not "4-Ohm Compatible" as indicated in your post.

I personally don't care for the directivity of Klipsch's (at least their lower end models) but you pretty much can't ask for an easier speaker to run on just about anything. Not only do they stay around 8Ohms for most of their range, but on the graphs I've seen - which admittedly don't include this specific speaker - they stay above 6Ohms even in the dips. Couple that with sensitivities that are well above any of the competition and you won't even cause a lower-end AVR to sweat.

I realize that for this post this is a moot point now, however I thought it was worth pointing out that anyone that says a Denon is not a good match for the RF-82s might as well be saying that a Denon can't run ANY decent speakers no matter what brand or spec... and that's simply not true. With a 98db sensitivity - you would already be damaging your hearing before you were using a third of the power available from the Denon.

It will be fine for the MA speakers too I would warrant, but they will not get as loud as the Klipsch would have - although in my personal opinion they will sound better (especially off-axis). :)
 

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