Small Cannons

[mulester7]

.....a strapped K2 will stay on each mini-barn....the channel of Earthquake impressed me pushing both subs at 2, sounded more natural with two channels pushing the subs at normal 4, but two strapped K2's just decided the matter quite handily....

 

[mulester7]

.....sorry to be wishy-washy concerning the K2's....I'm in uncharted waters, and taking it as it comes....the Earthquake sounds better all the time on the main's regiment as I get used to it being as clean as it is....it honestly takes some getting used to, as it blows away any amp I have ever had or heard....I now am listening without the 10k cut on the pre-amp....channels of the Earthquake sounded very good on the subs, but SVS knows what they are doing as they recommend the Crown K-Series for subs....I am hoping the small cannons will sound best with the K2's also....we'll see, but Gentlemen, I assure you, an Earthquake on the main's regiment is hard to beat, with clean authoritative low-end to burn.......

 

[Sheep]

Mule,

Are you gunna keep rambling on about this amp or are you gunna get to work amd make the small canons?

SheepStar

 

[mulester7]

Mule,

Are you gunna keep rambling on about this amp or are you gunna get to work and make the small canons?

SheepStar

.....Sheep, the amp is worthy of much rambling, I assure you....good point, I need to make the boxes for the 10 inch Infinity's and get to thumping....but I need to get carpeting on the floor, frame out for the rugs on the wall, get another Earthquake 5, at least three more pairs of speakers, and a camera....mercy, where to start?....

 

[Sheep]

.....Sheep, the amp is worthy of much rambling, I assure you....good point, I need to make the boxes for the 10 inch Infinity's and get to thumping....but I need to get carpeting on the floor, frame out for the rugs on the wall, get another Earthquake 5, at least three more pairs of speakers, and a camera....mercy, where to start?....

Derrr what?

Why do you need all those speakers, and another amp? Didn't you have a 5.1 system already? or are you upgrading?

SheepStar

 

[mulester7]

Derrr what?

Why do you need all those speakers, and another amp? Didn't you have a 5.1 system already? or are you upgrading?

SheepStar

.....SheepStar, I'm going to end up with a 10.4 system....and, if you assign by frequency response, I guess it could be a 12.2....I'll have a "Tower of Presence" from the rear up high, with four speakers involved shooting presence to the front soundstage....I also plan to have two centers in the front, high and low of my screen, with my 36 inch Mitsubishi behind the screen to save bulb time on the projector....what I'm excited about, is the projector I'm looking at that upconverts to 1080 inside the projector....when I input from a DVD player that has 1080 also, I'll get double refining of 1080....and, from the projector, I'll get 1080 with cable TV, and 1080 with my gamebox......

 

[mulester7]

.....thinking about the small cannons, here's something I'm going to try....I'm going to try a "dead-spot" between the subs and the small cannons of at least 10 cycles, and more probably 15....I'll top-cut the subs at about 50, and bottom-cut the small cannons at say 60-65....if the small cannons are extremely descriptive and I don't miss too bad with the box size, they should sound great all the way to the bottom of 60-65....then, you accent that, with a slight dead-spot, with tons of sub from 50 down, are ya' with me?....thanks again, WmAx, for steering me to the tuneable Infinity element with three choices to adjust the woofer's damping for the Q factor of the box....and yes, Chris and Sheep, that is assuming a box is ever built, haha........

 

[Duffinator]

.....get another Earthquake 5, at least three more pairs of speakers, and a camera....mercy, where to start?....

I just looked up the Earthquake amp, impressive boat anchor to be sure. I'm surprised you can still type after lifting that monster. So Mule, what happened to the inexpensive amps you have been advocating? (I can't remember the manufacturer but I have the link saved at home). So I'm guessing you either won the lottery or sold that train load of coal on Christmas day and pocket'd the money? Congratulations on your new toy!

 

[mulester7]

So Mule, what happened to the inexpensive amps you have been advocating? (I can't remember the manufacturer but I have the link saved at home).

.....The Duffinator, there's quality all the way up the price ladder of amps....I am thrilled to have this monster for the sound quality at moderate levels mainly....it's brought a new realism to my experience with amps.....

 

[mulester7]

.....good grief, this thread was on the third page at the bottom....the Earthquake only sounds better....I had the rears in series, getting mono, going against the mains wired normally, getting stereo left and right....it was good, but will be much better applied from the rear tower of presence I plan....good amp....understatement......

 

[Sheep]

.....good grief, this thread was on the third page at the bottom....the Earthquake only sounds better....I had the rears in series, getting mono, going against the mains wired normally, getting stereo left and right....it was good, but will be much better applied from the rear tower of presence I plan....good amp....understatement......

Mule, If you want to find your thread easily, Just go to your profile, then click threads you started, then click on this one.

SheepStar

 

[mulester7]

Mule, If you want to find your thread easily, Just go to your profile, then click threads you started, then click on this one.

SheepStar

.....Sheep, I've seen that click but didn't think of that....good help there.....

 

[rolyasm]

Hey Mule. I am glad you love the Earthquake. I can't wait to get one myself. What processor or receiver are you using in your system? You have a lot of speakers going and only a few receivers are even 10.1 rated. Curious how your are orchestrating this phenomenon.
Roly

 

[mulester7]

Hey Mule. I am glad you love the Earthquake. I can't wait to get one myself. What processor or receiver are you using in your system? You have a lot of speakers going and only a few receivers are even 10.1 rated. Curious how your are orchestrating this phenomenon.
Roly

.....Roly, a couple of Behringer DCX 2496's will give you 12 XLR outputs, frequency-cut top or bottom however you choose, to go to dedicated slave power.....

.....Guys, I just got the small cannons finished....being the King of Procrastination I are bees, I went ahead and ordered sealed boxes online, rather than getting some built by probably the year 2011....building some wouldn't have been a problem, but holding a gun to my head to do so, might have been hazardous to my health....anyway, here are the boxes and the elements used....on the first link, click on "click here to see several enlarged images, scroll to the bottom image, and you see the hole in the middle of the magnet structure where the HEAVY cylindrical insert with a 1/2 inch hole in the middle goes in, to tune the Q factor of the box you choose....one insert is about two inches tall, and the other is about three inches tall....for the sealed box I chose, the smaller one is advised....

http://www.cardomain.com/item/INFPERFECT10DVQ?ref=bizrdf

.....here is the boxes I chose, think larger than what you'll see at 15 inches tall, and I like them a lot as they look most decent.....

http://www.cardomain.com/item/QLCQLH6510SS

....I will be hitting the boxes with a strapped Crown K2 on each one....I know that's more watts than the element is rated, but I don't have to twist the gain wide open, do I?....and, the voice and punch from a strapped amp has already been established in my mind with my subs concerning pushing the low end, soooo, I doubt I will think differently after exploring all options, but we'll see....I have already listened to them with the 4 ohm dual voice-coils of the Infinity element wired in series for an 8 ohm presentation with the K2's strapped, and I don't think that is the wiring I will end up with....I don't get the punch I want with the series wiring, and the low end is not there as I would like it down to about 60 hz, where the sub will take over....I will try the strapped amp to only one set of voice-coils later this morning, and the strapped amp will see the 4 ohm voice-coil as a 2 ohm load....I can't wire the dual voice-coils in parallel which would be a 2 ohm load presented, because the stapped amp would see a load of 1 ohm, and the Crown K2 is not 1 ohm stable like some car amps are, and I firmly believe the voice derived from a strapped amp for low end applications is a precedent with me....but once again, I'm swimming in uncharted waters, with woofer range, let's say 225 hz down to 60 hz....I'm hoping one voice coil and the strapped amp will get me home, and I believe it will, because the results of the series wiring is actuallly closer than I've maybe made it sound....the Infinity elements were the same price for one or two voice-coils, so nothing will be wasted....more later, as if someone cares, haha....it appears I stand a good chance to not be called to ride a train this weekend, so what else have I got to do than be here with you buncha' tin-eared Neanderthals?....huh?.....

.....and Rolyasm, let me assure you, concerning 5 channels of amplification for main's regiment speakers, with this Earthquake Cinnenova 5 Channel Amplifier, "I'm done" concerning 5 channels of amplifying....good grief, how I've learned to love this amp....unbelievably clean and clear, and that's as loud as you may want to get, period, with the amp never getting anything more than barely warm....but, the component in my system that I cherish and believe in the most, is still my McIntosh solid-state pre-amp....who knows, I may try a tubed Mac pre-amp one day, but I feel no sense of urgency....what a product, and you can get them used, cheap....have a good day Gentlemen, because, this is the day The Lord hath made, and I will rejoice and be glad in it.....

 

[mulester7]

.....Esteemed Colleagues, I ain't tried all the combinations and variations quite yet with these small cannons as I'm still gonna' give two channels of Earthquake an audition, but I'll tell ya' right now, ya'll might as well go ahead and throw your stuff in the river and claim it got stole.....

 

[WmAx]

...I will try the strapped amp to only one set of voice-coils later this morning, and the strapped amp will see the 4 ohm voice-coil as a 2 ohm load....I can't wire the dual voice-coils in parallel which would be a 2 ohm load presented,

I'm not sure what you are doing here, but if you are planning on running the sub woofers with only one of the voice coils operating, be aware that power handling and SPL will be reduced by some degree, and the Q of the driver will be altered. But you can negate the Q alteration by shorting the unused coil.

-Chris

 

[mulester7]

I'm not sure what you are doing here, but if you are planning on running the sub woofers with only one of the voice coils operating, be aware that power handling and SPL will be reduced by some degree, and the Q of the driver will be altered. But you can negate the Q alteration by shorting the unused coil.

-Chris

.....WmAx, what I'm doing is trying all combinations with the small cannons elements and amplification to arrive at the best result of sound quality....as to using one voice-coil instead of two, I always felt it was the amount of linear excursion movement allowed by the length of the voice-coil/(s), going against the spider....both versions of the Infinity Kappa Perfect 10, one voice-coil or two, are rated at 400 watts, and have a three inch length stated for the voice-coil/(s)....I won't be shorting the unused voice-coil, because without a doubt, I've found the best sound quality for this subwoofer element being used in woofer range, comes from paralleling both 4 ohm voice-coils for an ohmage load of 2 ohms being presented to one side of an unstrapped amp that is 2 ohm stable for both sides.....

.....I want you Guys to see one of the inserts that makes this speaker element tunable per the Q factor of the box, depending on the size of the box, and whether it's sealed or vented....and, to remove one of these inserts, Buddy, you better have one hand on the speaker element as you pull, or the entire structure comes up into the air....the insert is metal, appears to be stainless steel, maybe not, and the magnet structure of the speaker element grabs and holds an insert with MUCH force....click on "click here to view several enlarged images", then scroll to the bottom one....yes, this one is different from the other day, and you'll actually see an example of the Q insert....the one shown is the smaller one, and through listening comparison for woofer range, it's the one you want for the .65 cu. ft. sealed box.....


http://www.cardomain.com/item/INFPERFECT10VQ

 

[mulester7]

.....well, I'm going to pull the Mac amp out of storage and try it on the front mains with K2 flavoring for crispness the Mac sadly lacks....and, I'm beginning to think Earthquake, for two sets of small cannons, and, my mini-barns "paralleled" on the outside channel of the Earthquake next to the case that has vents in the case for air "drawn", from a 9 inch cage fan on low, outside, that's also blowing into and between two K2's about 3 inches apart....TDeluce, I'm going to have 5 channels pooled at 1000 each, waiting for five views of a two-ohmed deer out in the bushes....may BE a fire, Guys, haha....yeah, two sets of small cannons....a ten inch element in a type 1 sealed box sitting by a floorstander front main with both on the mini-barn, with the "high" small cannon covering about 175 hz down to about 110, and a 12 incher on the floor just inside each mini-barn, blasting oscillations of low bass from about 110 hz down to "around" 50-60, up toward the listening position....low bass, bottom-cut at about 60, not sub-range actually, low bass....here's what's going to be the sweet part, I can already say from having the 10's on the floor for a test, I will be able to "see", with the 12's, the oscillations as per "concussion", and I don't mean with ears bleeding, at all....not sure on the 12's as to box to get....type 1 sealed gets exactly one cubic foot internal....the type 2 box is 1.25 feet, and has the option of remaining sealed or venting....I will stay sealed with either box, and I think I will order one of each, then I would hear both and only have one more to get, and could stick a lesser element that's still quality in the spurned cabinet and sell it to some kid out of the paper, haha.....Brian has called two sets of small cannons "excentric" about 7 times, WmAx just says I'm nuts....but....while all that may be true, lettin' real good amps just sit around drawin' dust ain't neat, is it?....all this clear as mud?....huh?....

 

[mulester7]

......well, I spent a very pleasant evening last night with the McIntosh MC2200 back on the front mains....my usual listening, rather, the listening I do the most, is actually background listening from cable TV while I'm online....I turn around and watch when something is said that could prove to be interesting, but mainly just listen as I watch the computer screen....my cable TV watching includes a LOT of TVLand, The Food Channel some, The Weather Channel some, and a little History Channel....right off the bat with the Mac back on the front mains, I noticed the music and dialogue seemed simply "more live"....I guess it took the pilgrimage through the land of crispness and damping factor short-decay to hear that.....it has been suggested to me by someone I respect highly that "crispness" is actually distortion, but I say it is a pleasant form of distortion if the dose is small enough, and crispness dwells in the highs....Guys, that's the area I notice the differences in quality amps by different manufacturers, the highs....I have no idea whether to wind my watch or climb a tree at this point with my system, but the Mac 2200 will stay on the front mains....I have been listening to the "high" small cannons sitting beside the front mains on top of the mini-barns, from about 175 hz top-cut, bottom-cut at about 60 powered by two channels of Earthquake....mighty sweet, mighty clean, mighty sweet....I am going to persue the two sets of small cannons with 12's on the floor....my limiting factor at this point is waiting for Behringer DCX 2496's to become available in May....I firmly believe the Earthquake amps are wonderful with the right speakers, but with my speakers, it appears it could end up being McIntosh full on the main's regiment....and, for my applications, the Earthquake with the 40-plus POUND transformer, THD of .006 at 2 ohm loads, and over 95 db's of channel seperation, I suspect will best serve me on low demands of linear excursion with ultra-clean sheer power that's lightening quick....I will try the K2's on the surrounds and rears, and the best application for the mini-barns "could" be strapped K2's, but, it appears it's the K2's that could be moved out....few will probably read this, but hey, I know I can count on Gene and Clint....bless them boys' hearts, they try hard, but they need us to talk to them and help them learn some stuff, haha......

 

[Buckle-meister]

...few will probably read this...

Oh I don't know. Some of us just lurk.