Setting up Yamaha Receiver RX-V757

[Bsmooth]

Well so far I just can't seem to set up the receiver so it sounds quite right with music.I have Paradigm Atoms and CC-270 center with Cambridge sound S-300's in the rear.I did the auto setup with the YPAO and the sound seems set back with music.Listening to a CD the vocals just aren't as up front as I'm used to.I'm using the surround standard sound mode with it set to music PL II.Strangely enough the vocals seem to sound fine with movie and the tuner.Its just when its set to the DVD.
Maybe I'm getting ahead of myself here a little.,but I also can only listen to CD's with my unit set to DVD.I have a Toshiba DVD player with it going to the DVD digital input jack,however the audio goes to my tv.You think this could be the reason for the audio weirdness?I'm not quite sure what to do here,as the people where I bought the unit from(Tweeter) don't seem of much help.
Any help with this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

 

[mfabien]

Well so far I just can't seem to set up the receiver so it sounds quite right with music.I have Paradigm Atoms and CC-270 center with Cambridge sound S-300's in the rear.I did the auto setup with the YPAO and the sound seems set back with music.Listening to a CD the vocals just aren't as up front as I'm used to.I'm using the surround standard sound mode with it set to music PL II.

CDs are in 2.0. I prefer listening to CDs in Stereo. Using PL II Music or Neo:6 Music the Yamaha delivers sound to all speakers. This can be enjoyable for TV broadcasts in DD 2.0. But CDs are best, in my opinion, in Stereo.

For surround sound, use DTS Music discs or, with digital connection from DVD player to a/v, use the DTS surround in audio setup with a DVD-A.

Strangely enough the vocals seem to sound fine with movie and the tuner.Its just when its set to the DVD.
Maybe I'm getting ahead of myself here a little.,but I also can only listen to CD's with my unit set to DVD.I have a Toshiba DVD player with it going to the DVD digital input jack,however the audio goes to my tv.You think this could be the reason for the audio weirdness?I'm not quite sure what to do here,as the people where I bought the unit from(Tweeter) don't seem of much help.
Any help with this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

It appears that in addition to the digital connection between the DVD player and the a/v, you seem to have RCA audio cables from the DVD player to the TV. I would remove that or before playing a DVD, set the TV speakers to OFF.

BTW, movies and concert DVDs are mixed in DD 5.1 and some in DTS surround. Your choice here is to listen to the sound as engineered (DOLBY DIGITAL or DTS) by selecting DD DTS while in "Auto" mode or you can select one of the Yamaha DSP programs.

 

[Bsmooth]

Originally posted by m fabien
For surround sound, use DTS Music discs or, with digital connection from DVD player to a/v, use the DTS surround in audio setup with a DVD-A.

I'm not sure what you mean.Could you explain more?

 

[mfabien]

I was referring to music discs where the audio was engineered in 5.1 surround sound.

Example of DTS surround = Eagles' "Hell Freezes Over"

Example of DVD-A with a DTS audio track = Steely Dan's "Everything Must Go."

So if you have 3 front speakers, 2 rear surround and a sub, these recordings will give you very good enjoyment.

 

[Bsmooth]

Since I have your ear(little audioholic humor!).As of now I actually don't have anything happen If I switch to CD input.Is there a way to connect my DVD player to the CD inputs so I would be able to swich my input over to CD.What I should say is there a benefit to doing that?
I guess I would like to set up each sound input(CD for music,DVD for movies,etc) seperately to tailor the sound accordingly.I am finding listening to CD's just not as enjoyable.The soundfield isn't the same with speakers mounted on the walls,or maybe its the receiver,not sure.All I know is that the sound was much fuller and upfront with floor speakers as opposed to the setup I have now. I am trying to recreate that sound with the addition of all my speakers playing too.I'm having a difficult time doing that,to say the least.
I have played with the dimension and center width under the standard surround sound under music to see If I could bring the vocals more upfront,but so far I haven't quite been able to do that.
If you have any suggestions or advice please let me know.I really appreciate any help or advice. Thank you.

 

[jcPanny]

DVD-A setup

Remember that listening to a DVD-A or SACD requires use of the 5.1 analog inputs to your receiver. With this input, the receiver is not doing any bass management. Thus, you must perform the setup on the DVD-A player and indicate the proper speaker distances, crossover frequency, etc. for the best multichannel listening experience.

It is also likely that the bass management capabilities and D/A converters of an entry level DVD-A player are inferior to that of your Yamaha receiver.

 

[mfabien]

Remember that listening to a DVD-A or SACD requires use of the 5.1 analog inputs to your receiver. With this input, the receiver is not doing any bass management. Thus, you must perform the setup on the DVD-A player and indicate the proper speaker distances, crossover frequency, etc. for the best multichannel listening experience.

It is also likely that the bass management capabilities and D/A converters of an entry level DVD-A player are inferior to that of your Yamaha receiver.

Please let's keep*this simple. DVD-A can also be played with a digital connection. There are DD and DTS tracks when playing with digital connection. Poster Bsmooth has not indicated he has a universal DVD player.

 

[mfabien]

Since I have your ear(little audioholic humor!).As of now I actually don't have anything happen If I switch to CD input.Is there a way to connect my DVD player to the CD inputs so I would be able to swich my input over to CD.What I should say is there a benefit to doing that?.

You need a single digital connection for the DVD player. And the player can playback DVDs and CDs. There are no benefit to configure a CD input to the DVD to play CDs.

I guess I would like to set up each sound input(CD for music,DVD for movies,etc) separately to tailor the sound accordingly.I am finding listening to CD's just not as enjoyable.The soundfield isn't the same with speakers mounted on the walls,or maybe its the receiver,not sure.All I know is that the sound was much fuller and upfront with floor speakers as opposed to the setup I have now. I am trying to recreate that sound with the addition of all my speakers playing too.I'm having a difficult time doing that,to say the least.
I have played with the dimension and center width under the standard surround sound under music to see If I could bring the vocals more upfront,but so far I haven't quite been able to do that.
If you have any suggestions or advice please let me know.I really appreciate any help or advice. Thank you.

Please keep in mind that the is such a thing a sound engineering. And a medium, such as CD, can only offer you 2.0 sound from the original tracks.*Yes you can have your a/v receiver use the 2.0 tracks and make use of all your speakers. That is the function of DD Pro Logic. In addition, there are other programs, such as DD PL II Music and Neo:6 Music which can make use of all your speakers. But, and please take note, CDs are recorded in 2.0 format and, in my opinion, should be played back in Stereo.

Surround sound is best for recordings where the audio engineering was designed that way. Movies, concert Videos are examples. There are also music recordings designed for surround sound. I previously gave you two examples.

Hey, buy the Eagles' "Farewell 1 Tour" DVD and see for yourself. Select DTS surround and enjoy.

 

[Bsmooth]

I realize that CD's are only 2 channels,but what I was asking is should ,or can each input source have proper speaker distances, crossover frequency, etc. setup seperately?In other words can the DVD be setup with speaker levels and then say a CD player be set up with different levels?
Also If I setup for stereo or 7.1 channels depending on the setting,Is the subwoofer also used? can the channels be setup at different levels also when setup in stereo for 7 channels?
I appreciate the patience

 

[MDS]

I highly doubt the rxv-757 can store separate speaker distance, speaker size, and xover settings for each input - most receivers of that class cannot. The settings are global and apply to all inputs.

Matrix surround modes like PLII Music/Movie/Game will use the subwoofer.

I'm not familiar with that receiver, but some have settings that allow you to choose the preferred decoder for any particular format you play. If yours has that capability, you could set PLII Music as the preferred decoder for 2 channel signals and tweak the parameters for the sound you like. If you set a different decoder for other formats, like DD, that would at least partially accomplish your goal because you would only use PLII Music for 2 channel signals.

I use PLII Music for everything. It is the most flexible of the decoders because you can set Center Width, Dimension, and Panorama. If the center sounds a bit weak on CDs, change the Center Width to a lower number which emphasises the center a bit (less gets sent to the front speakers). If the sound seems too far forward or backwards, change the Dimension paramater to move the soundfield forward or backwards. Panorama wraps some of the front channel signal into the surrounds, thus slighly emphasizing the surrounds.

 

[mfabien]

I realize that CD's are only 2 channels,but what I was asking is should ,or can each input source have proper speaker distances, crossover frequency, etc. setup separately?In other words can the DVD be setup with speaker levels and then say a CD player be set up with different levels?
Also If I setup for stereo or 7.1 channels depending on the setting,Is the subwoofer also used? can the channels be setup at different levels also when setup in stereo for 7 channels?
I appreciate the patience

Speaker distances and SPL level should be done and that will apply to all inputs.

In configuring your setup in the a/v, you should make all speakers "SMALL" and if you can adjust the crossover in the a/v, I would make that 80 Hz.

The above will apply for all devices connected via a digital connection to the a/v.

If you have a universal DVD player and wish to use the 6 analog connection from the player to the a/v, the you need to configure speakers with the DVD player. Same for bass management. This DVD setup and the use of analog cables, applies for playback of SACD and for high resolution DVD-A discs. Not sure you you intended to play those.