Saw one of these add a used electronics store

[3db]

They were asking $1499 CDN which I thought was outrageously steep for this unit. I'm thinking of all the refurb work involved in replacing all the caps.

 

[its phillip]

I just googled it and it seems that those still sell for a pretty penny, depending on condition, of course.

 

[Seth=L]

One is already over $900 USD on ebay, and still going. No concluded auctions within the past 15 days, but there are several active listings.

 

[3db]

Here are the specs on this;

Power Output:

Min. RMS, both channels driven, from 20 to 20,000Hz, with no more than 0.05% total harmonic distortion

170 watts per channel into 8 ohms

170 watts per channel into 4 ohms

85 watts per channel into 16 ohms



Load Impedance: 4, 8, 16 ohms

Power Bandwidth: 20 to 20,000Hz at or below rated min. RMS power output andvtotal harmonic distortion

Total Harmonic Distortion: less than 0.05% at or below rated min. RMS power output



Intermodulation Distortion (70 Hz: 7 kHz = 4:1 SMPTE method): less than 0.05%

Frequency Responce (at 1 watt): 10 to 50,000Hz

Damping Factor: approximately 80 at 8 ohms load



Input Sensitivity and Impedance (1 kHz for rated power output):

Phono 1: 1.5, 3, 6 mV/ 30, 50, 100 kohms

Phono 2: 1.5, 3, 6 mV/ 50 kohms

(Max. input capability: 800 mV at 1 kHz, less than 0.1% total harmonic distortion and Sensitivity switch at 6mV)



Tuner: 130 mV/50 kohms

Aux: 130 mV/50 kohms

Tape 1, 2 Play (pin jacks): 130 mV/50 kohms

Tape 2, Rec/Play (DIN socket): 130mV

Main In: 700 mV/50 kohms



Output Level (1,000Hz)

Tape 1, 2, 3 Rec (pin jacks): 130mV

Tape 2, Rec/Play (DIN socket): 30 mV

Pre Out: 700 mV



Channel Separation (1 kHz, at rated power output)

Phono 1, 2: better than 55dB

Tuner: better than 60dB

Aux: better than 60dB

Tape 1, 2, 3 Play: better than 60dB

Main In: better than 65dB



Hum and Noise (IHF)

Phono 1, 2: better than 70dB

Tuner: better than 80dB

Aux: better than 80dB

Tape 1, 2, 3 Play: better than 80dB

Main In better than 1OOdB



Controls

Bass: ±10dB (30Hz)

Midrange: ±5dB (1 kHz)

Treble: ±10dB (20kHz)

Low Filter: -3dB (20, 40 Hz), 12dB/oct.

High Filter: -3dB (7 kHz), 6dB/oct.; -3dB (12kHz), 12dB/oct.

Muting: 0, -10, -30dB



Power Voltage: 220/240V 50/60Hz

Power Consumption: 360 watts (rated); 1,110 watts (max.)

Dimensions: 460x178x400 mm

Weight: 23.6 kg (52 lbs)

 

[Seth=L]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rt=nc&nma=true&item=250715413154&si=y9Z8fwq58LvB1ObgqRyC8b%2B6btU%3D&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK:MEWAX:IT

The auction ended at $1,676 + about $60 for shipping.

 

[3db]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rt=nc&nma=true&item=250715413154&si=y9Z8fwq58LvB1ObgqRyC8b%2B6btU%3D&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK:MEWAX:IT

The auction ended at $1,676 + about $60 for shipping.

Wow. They are nice looking units but I fail to understand why the price is so high on these.

 

[Seth=L]

Wow. They are nice looking units but I fail to understand why the price is so high on these.

It's just like vintage TOTL Marantz and Pioneer receivers. They are rare, and beautiful to many people.

 

[TLS Guy]

Wow. They are nice looking units but I fail to understand why the price is so high on these.

If you know your old gear you can do much better than what is available now, without having to pay for suspect units aimed at audiophools, with suspect credentials.

I actually doubt you can buy an integrated amp as good as that one today at any price.

If you want a good two channel system, good old well looked after older is probably your best bet with exception of speakers. However if you picked them carefully you good certainly do well, for instance if you found a good set of TDLs you would be set.

In fact I could put a vinyl rig together from the late fifties around vintage Quad ESLs that would actually put 99% of systems talked about in these forums well in the shade in terms of vinyl performance and FM radio. If you had a good Ferrograph, Brenell or Revox tape deck and a good reel to reel standard high speed master or good real time copy, I could give CD a good run for its money.

People are always ready to assume old gear of anything is no use. It Ain't necessarily so!

 

[mtrycrafts]

Wow. They are nice looking units but I fail to understand why the price is so high on these.

Perhaps nostalgia for things of the past in audio? One could find more power for less most likely.

 

[Seth=L]

Perhaps nostalgia for things of the past in audio? One could find more power for less most likely.

Pride of ownership is probably the most tremendous value of vintage, rare, top of the line equipment.

Imagine owning a classic Marantz 2250, 2280 or Pioneer SX-1980. These receivers were the best the biggest names in audio had to offer at the time and have stood the test of time. Many need to be reconditioned, sure, but once they are they offer some expectional power and grace you just don't get from modern components. The intricate designs and meticulous layout of parts is astounding. Also keep in mind that these things have the capability to be worked on. Many modern components have such small spaces between solder points it's difficult to repair them. Let's also not discount the immense amount of pride in fixing something 40-50 years old and having it work like new. Maybe you remember looking at it new when you were young but it was so expensive you couldn't possibly afford it because it was top of the line.

 

[TLS Guy]

Pride of ownership is probably the most tremendous value of vintage, rare, top of the line equipment.

Imagine owning a classic Marantz 2250, 2280 or Pioneer SX-1980. These receivers were the best the biggest names in audio had to offer at the time and have stood the test of time. Many need to be reconditioned, sure, but once they are they offer some expectional power and grace you just don't get from modern components. The intricate designs and meticulous layout of parts is astounding. Also keep in mind that these things have the capability to be worked on. Many modern components have such small spaces between solder points it's difficult to repair them. Let's also not discount the immense amount of pride in fixing something 40-50 years old and having it work like new. Maybe you remember looking at it new when you were young but it was so expensive you couldn't possibly afford it because it was top of the line.

That's the whole point Seth, especially your comments about serviceability.

The nearest equivalent of that type of power and build quality from Boulder cost $12,000.

The nearest most regarded with that type of power but nothing like the quality is from Creek at $2,400.

Here is a miserable offering from Onkyo at $699.

Here is the current top of the line integrated from the same company Marantz at $2,500 and I bet a step down from the vintage unit.

The purchaser of that older Marantz unit for under 2K actually got himself a heck of a good deal.

Right now I'm at Eagan listening to my two channel rig there. The Quad 33 preamp purchased 1971, I have changed out a the volume control two or three times. The two Quad 303s of identical vintage, I have never opened the cases. They are functioning perfectly and sound beautiful. Would I swap it for any modern offerings of comparable power, absolutely not!

 

[Seth=L]

It was a top of the line Sansui, not a Marantz, but your point is still seen.

It's also important to note that Sansui is no longer a manufacturer of high end audio and their name is under the Funai fold now (or was the last time I checked) and the brand is typically used with cheap televisions.

When Marantz and Pioneer were going head to head Sansui ran with the best of them. They hold their value better than even Rotel and Kenwood components of the period.

I've always felt that Sansui was the most "McIntosh-esque" of the vintage brands. I really like the aesthetics of most of the 70's components offered by Sansui.

 

[jeffsg4mac]

That's the whole point Seth, especially your comments about serviceability.

The nearest equivalent of that type of power and build quality from Boulder cost $12,000.

The nearest most regarded with that type of power but nothing like the quality is from Creek at $2,400.

Here is a miserable offering from Onkyo at $699.

Here is the current top of the line integrated from the same company Marantz at $2,500 and I bet a step down from the vintage unit.

The purchaser of that older Marantz unit for under 2K actually got himself a heck of a good deal.

Right now I'm at Eagan listening to my two channel rig there. The Quad 33 preamp purchased 1971, I have changed out a the volume control two or three times. The two Quad 303s of identical vintage, I have never opened the cases. They are functioning perfectly and sound beautiful. Would I swap it for any modern offerings of comparable power, absolutely not!

How much is this guy?

 

[Seth=L]

How much is this guy?

The NAD is a fine piece to be sure, but it doesn't parallell the Sansui in build quality or aesthetic design.

First and foremost what you should understand about the Sansui is that it is a collector's item first, audio product second. Other than to someone who is obsessed NAD and owns each one of their components the NAD is not really a collectors item.

 

[3db]

The NAD is a fine piece to be sure, but it doesn't parallell the Sansui in build quality or aesthetic design.

First and foremost what you should understand about the Sansui is that it is a collector's item first, audio product second. Other than to someone who is obsessed NAD and owns each one of their components the NAD is not really a collectors item.

Thats your opinion:

http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.vintageaudio.com.au/tuner-reciever/NAD/NAD-7060_Full-4462.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.vintageaudio.com.au/tuner-reciever/NAD/NAD%207060%20Receiver.htm&usg=__StpaMmoF3qEeJFnXrVPUzNQHufw=&h=317&w=550&sz=46&hl=en&start=3&zoom=1&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=r6x6qlpeqFgmAM:&tbnh=77&tbnw=133&prev=/images?q=vintage+nad+receivers&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&tbs=isch:1


The pictures of this one is better in the link..
http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.vintageaudio.com.au/Amps/NAD/60-L_2800.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.vintageaudio.com.au/Amps/NAD/NAD%20Model%2060%20Amplifier.htm&usg=__B06_z67UOgpNOLxmxAV0t-KHWfg=&h=240&w=320&sz=22&hl=en&start=6&zoom=1&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=9b2pT1-4FlsUEM:&tbnh=89&tbnw=118&prev=/images?q=vintage+nad&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&tbs=isch:1

 

[TLS Guy]

How much is this guy?

Cost $1500 by the time you add the phono stage. I would rather have the vintage Sansui for around the same price.

 

[Seth=L]

Thats your opinion:

http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.vintageaudio.com.au/tuner-reciever/NAD/NAD-7060_Full-4462.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.vintageaudio.com.au/tuner-reciever/NAD/NAD%207060%20Receiver.htm&usg=__StpaMmoF3qEeJFnXrVPUzNQHufw=&h=317&w=550&sz=46&hl=en&start=3&zoom=1&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=r6x6qlpeqFgmAM:&tbnh=77&tbnw=133&prev=/images?q=vintage+nad+receivers&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&tbs=isch:1


The pictures of this one is better in the link..
http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.vintageaudio.com.au/Amps/NAD/60-L_2800.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.vintageaudio.com.au/Amps/NAD/NAD%20Model%2060%20Amplifier.htm&usg=__B06_z67UOgpNOLxmxAV0t-KHWfg=&h=240&w=320&sz=22&hl=en&start=6&zoom=1&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=9b2pT1-4FlsUEM:&tbnh=89&tbnw=118&prev=/images?q=vintage+nad&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&tbs=isch:1

Chris, I was refering to the NAD C375BEE.

 

[TLS Guy]

It was a top of the line Sansui, not a Marantz, but your point is still seen.

It's also important to note that Sansui is no longer a manufacturer of high end audio and their name is under the Funai fold now (or was the last time I checked) and the brand is typically used with cheap televisions.

When Marantz and Pioneer were going head to head Sansui ran with the best of them. They hold their value better than even Rotel and Kenwood components of the period.

I've always felt that Sansui was the most "McIntosh-esque" of the vintage brands. I really like the aesthetics of most of the 70's components offered by Sansui.

Thanks for the correction. I knew it was a Sansui, then for some reason called it a Marantz.

Here is an interesting eBay page. Look at these Leak amplifiers. The ones produced wile Harold Leak was at the elm are working. Of the four produced after Harold Leak had to sell to the Rank organization due to ill health, three of the four are not working!