Saudi court INCREASES punishment of Rape Victim

[jinjuku]

You just got to love the hornets nest that we have lived next to for years and eventually stuck our foot in it:

Saudi courts increase the punishment of a 19 year old female that was gang raped by seven men. From 90 lashes to 200 lashes for going to the media. Her lawyer has also been dis-barred.

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What did Bush think he was going to accomplish over there?

 

[Gimpy Ric]

200 lashes sounds like a death warrant to me. The victom continues to get the crappy end of the stick IMO.

 

[darien87]

Wow. Someone fill me in, but why would a woman who was raped have to get whipped? The article also stated that Saudi women are not allowed to testify in court, unless it is an incident that wasn't witnessed by a man. Must be great to be born female over there.

 

[Adam]

First, it's horrible what happened to her and to her friend.

I would have thought that the rapists would have gotten stricter sentences over there, if only for the homosexual gang rape.

Perhaps the lessons are (a) don't go to the media and (b) don't go to the authorities. Get raped? Kill them all yourself. Where's Steven Seagal when you need him?

 

[mtrycrafts]

Where's Steven Seagal when you need him?

He is looking to team up with Rambo

 

[mtrycrafts]

Wow. Someone fill me in, but why would a woman who was raped have to get whipped? The article also stated that Saudi women are not allowed to testify in court, unless it is an incident that wasn't witnessed by a man. Must be great to be born female over there.

She got the lashes for being with males not related to her. I suppose when she went to the media, the number was increased.
Wonderful country that we are so tied to.
Heard a talk show today about early American Ambassador in England, 1800s, talking to someone from the then Islamic Barbary Coast killing and beheading of out people pirated and captured. Same old rhetoric about being infidels. So, this is an age old issue, from day one, as they want to take over and/or convert everyone.

 

[Davemcc]

If there were any question that civil and human rights violations are institutionalized in what are considered "moderate" Islamic fundamentalist states, this should settle that question.

 

[highfihoney]

If anybody ever needed more proof of these people being blood thirsty savages this is itI swear i cant figure out why we as a nation even colaborate with those maniacs,their god tells/allows them to act this wayAll humans might be created equal but these people are taught to be blood thirsty savages.

We should of invaded the entire middle east back in the 1940's,when our society & government still had the will to stomp some a$$.

 

[jinjuku]

How can you have respect, understanding, and tolerance for a society that have no respect, understanding, and tolerance for others. What's funny is they expect that from others but don't give it.

The other issue that these idiots haven't figured out is: If you are busy suppressing half your population (the females) you lose half your doctors, engineers, politicians etc.

I remember the murder that took place in an Islamic community in I believe Calgary. The community had the audacity to try and tell the Canadian government that it was their right to handle it under Islamic law. How insular and disrespectful of the society that you moved to.

 

[yettitheman]

Wow. That's ****ed up.

 

[Rock&Roll Ninja]

If there were any question that civil and human rights violations are institutionalized in what are considered "moderate" Islamic fundamentalist states, this should settle that question.

Well its not really a violation of civil rights, because those rights do not exist in that culture.

200 lashes sounds like a death warrant to me. The victom continues to get the crappy end of the stick IMO.

Yes but that one woman could have potentially breed dozens of grandchildren, none of which will now be able to kill Americans in some future event.

 

[Adam]

Yes but that one woman could have potentially breed dozens of grandchildren, none of which will now be able to kill Americans in some future event.

Or cure cancer, or discover some new fundamental truth of physics, or...

If we were going to take the life of every woman whose genetic line may eventually take the life on an American, then we'd be killing off a lot of women...most of them in this country.

 

[Rock&Roll Ninja]

Or cure cancer, or discover some new fundamental truth of physics, or...

*sigh* even the big shiny graphic cannot convey my deadpan satire of jingoistic racism (which I admit really needs its own shiny graphic).

Obviously we cannot determine the future effects on the human race that this person not procreating will have on us today. Future events such as these will effect us in the future I guess. If we follow her descendants long enough, in all likelyhood they shall spread to every substantial cultural establishment (and a great deal of insubstantial ones) before the human race is killed-off, mutates into something else, or travels to another solar system.

 

[Adam]

*sigh* even the big shiny graphic cannot convey my deadpan satire of jingoistic racism...

Gotcha. I didn't catch the sarcasm (so the post did surprise me).

What's the word I'm looking for? Oh, yeah. Sar-chasm: the gap between the author of sarcasm and the reader that doesn't get it.

 

[stratman]

Where we fail is that we try to hold our standards to theirs, it won't work, like highfi said it's in their religion, what we have in the middle east is one ideology trying to win over the other and it won't work, they see it as a just cause as they are fighting for their religious beliefs. We fail because we don't see it as that, we're too politically correct to call it for what it is because a tiny segment of the population in this country is muslim and we'll be insulting them and the "moderate" foreign governments that are "friendly" toward us. What happened to this woman is not frowned upon because it was the right thing to do under "sharia law" there are no grey areas, a good muslim would be in agreement with her punishment, no matter how we see it here in the West.

 

[Davemcc]

Well its not really a violation of civil rights, because those rights do not exist in that culture.

Yes and no. She clearly has no legal rights in her society. But on the other hand, any discussion of rights has to begin with the premise that rights are inherent and can only forcibly be denied by the state. As a human being, she is born with the same inherent rights as any other human being anywhere. Yet these rights are institutionally violated by her violent, repressive, misogynistic governm...oops...I mean moderate fundamentalist Islamic government.

 

[Buckeye_Nut]

You just got to love the hornets nest that we have lived next to for years and eventually stuck our foot in it:

Saudi courts increase the punishment of a 19 year old female that was gang raped by seven men. From 90 lashes to 200 lashes for going to the media. Her lawyer has also been dis-barred.

Link

What did Bush think he was going to accomplish over there?

Yes...it's GWBs fault!!

I also blame GWB for the Ohio State loss to ILL!!

 

[jinjuku]

Yes...it's GWBs fault!!

I also blame GWB for the Ohio State loss to ILL!!

Not saying it's GWB fault. What what I am saying is: What did the administration hope to accomplish? Democracy? Womens rights? A secular government? Did they really think they could turn around an entire culture based on religious doctrine?

Same thing with Korea and Vietnam. You either learn from history or you repeat it.

 

[10010011]

Where we fail is that we try to hold our standards to theirs, it won't work, like highfi said it's in their religion, what we have in the middle east is one ideology trying to win over the other and it won't work, they see it as a just cause as they are fighting for their religious beliefs. We fail because we don't see it as that, we're too politically correct to call it for what it is because a tiny segment of the population in this country is muslim and we'll be insulting them and the "moderate" foreign governments that are "friendly" toward us. What happened to this woman is not frowned upon because it was the right thing to do under "sharia law" there are no grey areas, a good muslim would be in agreement with her punishment, no matter how we see it here in the West.

This is exactly why there should be a separation between Church and State.

 

[mtrycrafts]

This is exactly why there should be a separation between Church and State.

And, totally and completely