rxv1500 reciever editor?

[nate dog]

Is there any way to use Yamahas reciever editor software with the rxv1500?
I treid using the reciever manager software for the rxv2500 but it wont establish a connection with the 1500.

Thanks.

 

[dans]

I have it!

Nate, I have the receiver editor for the 1500! I just got it a couple of days ago and I'm happy to email it to you...on one condition: that you help me figure out why I can't get it to work right! I just posted this on avsforum.com:

I just got the new Yamaha RX-V1500 Receiver Editor. I have set it up as per the PDF documentation (RX-V1500_RS232_ST.pdf) and can connect to the receiver in async mode. When I try to connect in real-time mode it works for a few seconds, and begins to initialize. But after the init procedure is about 10% done I get this error: "Communication Error has occurred during initialization." I have tried all sorts of com port settings and I don't think it is that since it works fine in async mode. Any thoughts on this? If someone needs the software let me know. I'll email it to you.

 

[RJB]

I'm looking for the editor for the 1500 too, it's not on the Yamaha dealer download page so I would love to know where you got it and the documentation.

Looking forward to hearing from you...

 

[dans]

RJB, send me a PM with your email address in it and I'll email it to you, but under one condition: you let me know how well it works for you. I need to figure out why I'm having this connection problem!

 

[kaos]

I also just got my hands on this receiver recently and it has made such an improvement in my setup! What exactly does the editor do, though? I'm interested.

 

[msmith855]

Yeah, tell us newbie 1500 owners more! What does the receiver editor do for us? So far I LOVE this receiver but if there's things I'm missing out on I want to know about them!

 

[Nomo]

The editor really won't make your reciever do anything more than it's already capable of doing. The main advantages are:

1) Once you have all the settings, EQ, DSP parameters, etc., set where you want them the reciever editor allows you to download them onto your computer, just in case of a disaster such as complete failure and replacement of the reciever.

2)Instead of going through a virtual maze of settings on the reciever itself, the editor's interface is a bit more upfront and user-friendly. It is possible to change the settings in the editor and simply upload them to the reciever.

At this point I'm not currently running my 1500 in conjuction with my computer. I'm still debating whether or not it's worth the cable and time investment to connect my reciever and computer two rooms away from each other.

I did, out of curiosity, Email Yamaha inquiring of the editor's existance. They Emailed it back to me the next day.

 

[RJB]

what version of the editor?

NomoSony, just curious what version of the editor Yamaha sent you. The version I got from Dans was 1.0, everything I expected to see was there except for 1 glaring exception, the Speaker Distance parameters.

These are very much available on the 1500 itself so I can't imagine why they would have left them out of the editor. It would sort of defeat part of the purpose of being able to save & reinstall the 1500 parms in the event of a major failure...

Dans, if you check this post, I am having the same problem in real-time mode that you are experiencing. I'll keep playing around and keep you posted if I have any luck.

 

[Nomo]

I have version 1 as well. No the speaker distance is not there. I didn't notice that. Nice catch! That's a rather important oversight by Yamaha. All we can do is bring it to their attention and hope they correct it. I'll send them an E-mail. Suggest you do the same. It can't hurt to try.

 

[nate dog]

I also am using the editor from Dans, but I cant establish a connection with the 1500. Ive tried in real time and async modes and with a x-over and straight cables. Is there something you need to do other than connect the cables and run the software?

Thanks.

 

[dans]

Nate, I just sent you an email, but here's what I said in case others are interested:

If you can't connect, I'd double-check the following:

1) Are you sure the serial port is configured and working?
2) Are you really sure the serial port is configured and working??? How can
you be sure?
3) The cable should be a null-modem cable, I'm 99% positive on that.
4) Make sure you have the right serial port setting for this app: 8-n-1 with
hardware handshaking and a baud rate of 9600.
5) See numbers one and two!

To test the serial port you can establish a direct cable connection to another computer if you have one handy, or to an external modem (but you'll need a different cable for that). I have it working but still can't figure out this real-time mode connection issue which basically prevents me from doing anything useful with it other than backing up my current settings.

 

[nate dog]

How do you check your serial port settings? I'm using XP but cant find settings for baud rate and handshaking. I've never used the serial port before, so maybe its not even enabled (I'm using a laptop if that makes any difference).

Thanks.

 

[Pizza Man]

Receiver Manager

The receiver manager will be up on the Yamaha website within a few days...it is currently on the development server undergoing some download testing...it will be located in the dealer access section...but no doubt some of you have access to this section (until I change the password)...
b

 

[dans]

Nate, you want to go into the device manager (right click 'my computer', choose 'properties', click on the 'hardware' tab, then 'device manager'.) Then expand the 'ports' section and you'll see your com ports. Double-click the port you want to use and go to the 'port settings' tab. You'll find the settings there.

"The receiver manager will be up on the Yamaha website within a few days...it is currently on the development server undergoing some download testing...it will be located in the dealer access section...but no doubt some of you have access to this section (until I change the password)...
b"

B, why is this password protected? A major factor in my buying the 1500 was the Receiver Editor software. I was told by the salesman what it could do. I had to wait nearly 9 months for it to be released and when it was i was told by yamaha that everything related to the serial port is completely unsupported. At least two of us on here are experiencing problems with the software and I feel like I have no one to go to about it. What gives?

 

[nate dog]

Pizza Man... I have to agree with Dans. A major factor in upgrading my old reciever to the rxv1500 was the lure of using something like the reciever editor software.
You may ask why being able to use a computer to do the same thing that the remote can do would be a significant selling point? It gives you the ability to save multiple configurations. You could now save YPAO settings for all modes (flat, front. ect) and use them according to the source material. You would also be able to save your own configurations that you set up manually for those cd's or movies that just dont sound right the way they were mastered. It would be awesome to be able to type in what you were about to listen to and have the reciever reconfigure itself for that specific source.
I cant see any reason to not allow "regular" people to download this software unless Yamaha is concerned that we may corrupt the recievers software somehow. Hopefully the reciever editor will become a reality for those of us who are currently struggling to get it to work

 

[Pizza Man]

The problem with releasing the Receiver Manager is that most people are not educated in the world of RS-232 protocols, and you could end up causing damage to the unit...and then of course you would want us to fix your unit, which would not be an inexpensive solution...if you feel you are qualified to dabble, then you might speak with Gene and see if he can convince me to let it loose...
Pizza Man

 

[Nomo]

What could go wrong?

The problem with releasing the Receiver Manager is that most people are not educated in the world of RS-232 protocols, and you could end up causing damage to the unit...and then of course you would want us to fix your unit, which would not be an inexpensive solution...if you feel you are qualified to dabble, then you might speak with Gene and see if he can convince me to let it loose...
Pizza Man

I'm not trying to be a smartass here. But if there are potential dangers at play here we deserve to about them! I don't claim to be incredibly computer savvy, just enough to get myself in trouble, nor am I an expert with HT wiring. That's what bothers me. I'd like to think that the RS-232 was put on my receiver as more than just a carrot to get me and other like me to buy it. The thought of controlling an HT system from a computer is in the least a tempting proposition. If there is a chance of damaging a reciever via this connection then, speaking for myself any way, then I'd like better info on the do's and don'ts. Personally I'd rather not screw of my 1500 and test out the 2 year warranty that came with it. Much less go without it for a couple of weeks while it's in for repair.
Again. Not trying to be a Wiseguy. But what are you getting at?

 

[newfmp3]

does this software work with other yamaha's? Say a 4600?

 

[Nomo]

does this software work with other yamaha's? Say a 4600?

There are several versions of the editors. Generally they are don't mix and match well with models they are not specifically made for. Since the 4600 just came out it's doubtful there is a editor for it available just yet. The closest would be the 2500 editor. It's as easy as an Email to Yamaha to find out. I got a response in less than 24 hours with the 1500 editor attached. I was fairly impressed by that.

 

[dans]

Pizza Man, I appreciate your concern, but if the RS-232 interface is built in a standard configuration and the user connects a properly designed cable (it appears to be a null modem cable that is required) then how could they "end up causing damage to the unit"? I don't see how that is possible unless the software itself is too buggy for prime time. The bottom line here is that I am qualified to use these features and, more importantly, I was sold on them. As Nate described, the power of this technology is awesome. I'm convinced it would be a very significant upgrade to my system.

When I was looking to buy th RX-V1500, I read this on Yamaha's website:
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YAMAHA RECEIVER EDITOR (Windows version only)
Using this application you can set up the configurations of the Home Presets, Volume Presets and Zone2 Volume Presets (RX-Z1 only) from your laptop or desktop via RS-232C. Receiver Editor allows you to edit, download, and upload the Home Presets, Volume Presets and Zone2 Volume Presets configurations, and these configurations can be saved as Configuration Files. Receiver Editor also has an ability to backup entire SET MENU settings. You can save time and effort you used to spent on configuring the AV Receiver.
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I was told by Yamaha that such software would indeed support the 1500. Now that software has finally come out but it doesn't seem to work (at least two people here have had the same communication problems) and Yamaha basically says that they don't in any way support it. In fact, you're saying that we shouldn't have it at all because we might not be capable enough to use it. I have to say I'm let down. Not taking phone calls on a product is one thing. But to market a set of features and then turn around and say it is 100% unsupported, and in fact, not available to the vast majority of people who purchased the product is irresponsible at best and deceptive at worst.

This editor software should be available, maybe for a small fee ($20, or $30) to whomever wants it and there should be some minimal documentation. At the very least it should work! No offense Pizza Man, and I appreciate your time on here, but this kind of stinks.