RX_V2400 volume question

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lr7bubbleboy

Audiophyte
<font color='#000000'>RX-V2400 Volume Question.

My volume will not go beyond +6.5db regardless of the input.
DVD, tuner, vcr, sat, 6.5db max
Even with the speakers off the dial will not go beyond 6.5 db.
Is this normal? Is there a setting I don’t have correct?
I can’t believe I spent almost  $1,000 on a receiver I can’t “crank”. My $300 receiver I replaced was louder.
Any help would be appreciated.</font>
 
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zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
<font color='#000000'>You should not have to get above 0 before your ears start bleeding! Have you calibrated your system?</font>
 
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lr7bubbleboy

Audiophyte
<font color='#000000'>Yes-I did the Auto settup with the YPAO.
I guess what concerns me the most is the +6.5 db limit.</font>
 
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zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
<font color='#000000'>While listening? I can't believe you can crank it this loud without blowing speakers or clipping the amp.</font>
 
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zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
<font color='#000000'>0 should be your limit!</font>
 
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zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
<font color='#000000'>Find my thread , lost volume in mains also.</font>
 
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lr7bubbleboy

Audiophyte
<font color='#000000'>Can you blow a 300 watt speaker with a 120 watt amp?</font>
 
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zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
<font color='#000000'>You can blow a 600  watt speaker with a 10 watt amp!

Underpowering will blow a speaker before overpowering.

The cause is turning volume into distortion levels!

First rule of audio. DO NOT underpower speakers!
Second rule. DO NOT turn volume into distortion levels!</font>
 
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zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
<font color='#000000'>What speakers do you have?</font>
 
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lr7bubbleboy

Audiophyte
<font color='#000000'>O.K. Lets go this rout. Anybody that owns a Yamaha rx-v2400.
Turn off all of your speakers. Turn the volume dial all the way up and tell me what the db level is.</font>
 
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zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
<font color='#000000'>Why does that even matter? Who cares if it goes to 100000!

My 1400 goes to 16.5! No way in hell I will EVER even get close to that!</font>
 
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zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
<font color='#000000'>READ YOUR MANUAL! It should state your scale! Mine does!</font>
 
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zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
<font color='#000000'>Is your $300 receiver louder with the speakers off also?

I can't tell the loudness on mine without the speakers on!

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lr7bubbleboy

Audiophyte
<font color='#000000'>Zumbo, I appreciate you trying to help. The point is it does matter to me. I believe that there is a problem with my receiver or that something is not set right. If you heard my receiver at +6.5 db. You would understand. my ears are FAR from bleeding at +6.5.db's. I just thought that someone out there may have a thought as to why I have this problem. I hope I'm not upsetting anyone with my questions.</font>
 
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zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
<font color='#000000'>Leave your dads expensive stereo alone before you tear it up!</font>
 
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RX-V2400

Audioholic
<font color='#000000'>My RXV2400 manual does NOT even mention the db scale. There is little said about it and this is a quib of mine too. My volume control goes from -40 db to +10 db. I believe at 0 db is what they call 50% power in reality because of inputs over the rated input is the top end. I believe anything over this 0 db mark is likely to blow speakers. I have had mu system to about +4 db. Does the poster have very inefficient speakers or a large room. At 0 db my 2400 is loud, but not overly loaud and I have a 250 w amp on the sub, even for my large (600 cubic feet) room.</font>
 
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GeorgeM

Audioholic
<font color='#000000'>+6.5db??? That really puzzles me...A comfortable listening range for me on the 2400 is never higher than -25db nor lower than -35db. &nbsp;If you did not purchase from a local store and your problem is not solved here, why not contact the Yamaha techies...

Here's a reference on how db display is established:

http://www.yamaha.com/yec/customer/faqs/av_receivers/faq41.htm

-GeorgeM</font>
 
<font color='#000080'>lr7bubbleboy,

My guess is that you have either:

a) VERY inefficient speakers,
b) a problem with your setup, speakers or wiring, or
c) your amplifier is not operating as it should</font>
 
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JAB

Audioholic Intern
<font color='#000000'>I have checked the volume output on my Z9 and it registers + 12.5 db. at full open. My ears start to object to the loudness of a DVD/CD source at -7 db, so if you are considering listening to any source at +6 db you better be prepared to do the following:

(1) Replace the tweeters in your speakers.
(2) Replace the rail fuses in your amps ( a qualified service center repair required).
(3) Start a savings account at a financial institution for hearing aids, cause you are going to need them at a very young age!

Without (I hope) trying to sound like some sort of smart-butt know-it-all, perhaps an explanation of the volume control use is in order, so here it goes:

If you open a water tap (volume control) slowly, the water reservoir and pump (your transformer and storage caps) will continue to supply pure water (sound) to your sink (speakers). The reservoir is being supplied by a steady flowing creek (110 volt power outlet). As the tap is opened more and more, the reservoir and the pump are under stress trying to supply the evercreasing demand for pure water to your sink. So let's crank that tap wide open. The pump quicky drains the resevoir of pure water and begins to draw muck, sand and other polluted materials and sends this crap out the tap to your sink, eventually plugging it ( i.e. clipping the amps resulting in blown fuses and fried voice coils in the tweeters). A volume control is a very crucial part of a receiver, and must be used with care!!

Even a tweeter as small as 3/4&quot; will take an enormous amount of short-burst wattage (1000 watts and up), as long as the signal is clean and free of distortion. A tweeter goes into heart arrest trying to play a clipped square wave (distortion) it cannot follow and dies. Likewise, your power supply will overheat and put your receiver into a protection mode ( shutdown and/or fuse blowing). This partially explains why the Yamaha Z9 and the Denon AVR5803 are pushing 70lbs. in weight, while the one at Costco claiming 200 watts a channel can be lifted with one hand. Large storage capacity ( transformers and caps) are expensive and very heavy!! It is this storage capacity that gives you solid, clean sound while the lightweight receiver chokes on it's own vomit. Storage supplies in receivers are taxed to the limits by fast transients and by sudden shifts in dynamic range - the rim-shot on a drum, a soaring voice, a roaring piano, a rocket launch ( a good example of the last one mentioned is from the Imax LD/DVD &quot;The Dream is Alive&quot;-the crackling of the hot exhaust gases colliding with the air are tweeter friers, and the powerful low bass at the same time is an storage capacity drainer!).

I remember reading an article years ago where a prominent amp designer was trying to develop a power supply that would not clip. And what was he using as a sound source to conduct his research and that was constantly fustrating him by putting his amp into overload.?? Why, a live mike of someone cutting paper with scissors!!!

Maybe you have a genuine complaint about the volume on your 2400 that no amount of fiddling will address. I suggest you take it back to the dealer and have it tested by their repair department that will check the volume output to see if it specs out.

Al</font>
 
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abe

Junior Audioholic
<font color='#000000'>Just checked with my 1400 and it goes up to +16.5dB. &nbsp; YPAO might be the reason that yours won't go higher than +6.5. &nbsp; I configured my 1400 manually.

For normal listening, I've never go higher than 0dB. &nbsp;99% of the time volume is around -20dB. &nbsp;


Abe</font>
 

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