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[sterling shoote]

Full frequency response may require a sub to reproduce material which contains low frequencies.. Whether this is an addition to a 2 way, or 3 way speaker is moot.

 

[JOHN FICKEL]

I love my two subs, for music...

 

[bigus]

I have listened couple 2 way speaker systems with sub and they sound better than most of 3 way speakers I have heard. Integrating sub isn't that hard at all and when done right you can't even tell by sound that there is sub in the chain but when you take the sub out you can tell right away something is missing. I myself have 3 way speakers that have really good reviews and have won some credit as well, still I prefer them with sub even for stereo listening. Integrate your sub correctly and it will work with any speakers no matter what type it is.

Everyone's setup is different for sure.
I personally haven't been able to integrate my subs so the music blends like a three way on it's own.
This is my experience!
For me a three way speaker will get you on the road to to concert level base=tight not bloated.

 

[shadyJ]

Everyone's setup is different for sure.
I personally haven't been able to integrate my subs so the music blends like a three way on it's own.
This is my experience!
For me a three way speaker will get you on the road to to concert level base=tight not bloated.

Amplified concerts use bass bins which are typically tuned very high. There is no deep bass there, it is filtered out. I believe a lot of people mistaken deep bass for slow bass or bloated bass. If you want accurate sound reproduction, you should be after a time-aligned, low-distortion, flat frequency response. It doesn't matter how you get there, a two-way, three-way, or nine-way speaker with no subwoofers or a hundred subwoofers.

 

[tyhjaarpa]

Everyone's setup is different for sure.
I personally haven't been able to integrate my subs so the music blends like a three way on it's own.
This is my experience!
For me a three way speaker will get you on the road to to concert level base=tight not bloated.

So basically you are saying that what you can't do is not worth it and any one else shouldn't do it either. All speakers I have heard can benefit from sub when integrated correctly. And I have heard 3 way speakers with 15" bass drivers, yet I would still pair them with a sub.

 

[herbu]

I personally haven't been able to integrate my subs so the music blends like a three way on it's own.

Still waiting to hear exactly what 3-way speakers you have that sound better w/o a sub.

You mentioned being unable to satisfactorily integrate a sub with these:

and with these:

I can't help but wonder what your 3-ways are.

 

[ski2xblack]

Doesn't matterwhat they are, as long as they are three ways. Real system tuning is done by choosing Nordost wires, doncha know.

 

[Don G.]

Why not get a good 3-way and add a sub. I have my sub starting at 40 hz except for the LFE material in movies. My 3-way's are pretty much flat down to 35 hz, but they still sound better with the sub.

 

[STRONGBADF1]

Subwoofers = life

Junkie.

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[fuzz092888]

Junkie.

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I don't have a problem I swear...........

 

[Bizarro_Stormy]

I don't have a problem I swear...

Be careful...
That looks like an overdose waiting to happen...







Don't forget to add me to your will...

 

[lovinthehd]

Junkie.

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You say that like something's wrong with that.

 

[JOHN FICKEL]

That is AWESOME!!

 

[JOHN FICKEL]

How does that sound ??

 

[bigus]

Still waiting to hear exactly what 3-way speakers you have that sound better w/o a sub.

You mentioned being unable to satisfactorily integrate a sub with these:
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and with these:
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I can't help but wonder what your 3-ways are.

I also have dual Paradigm Seismic 110's for my HT.
The Tannoys sound clearer and more natural without the subs in 2 channel.
My opinion of course.

 

[herbu]

The Tannoys sound clearer and more natural without the subs in 2 channel.

Which Tannoys? DC8 Ti?
Specs say, "Frequency response (-6dB) --- 33Hz-35kHz"
They don't say, but since 35kHz is inaudible, I suppose the "-6dB" applies to the 33Hz. Not particularly noteworthy... or enough to render a subwoofer superfluous.

My opinion of course.

You could have avoided some of the caustic comments if you offered this in the beginning.

 

[highfigh]

This is for a 2.1 channel setup.
I find the integration between lows to midrange are hard to blend.
Compared to 3 way alone, the sound is more natural with a 3 way.
It's a little easier these days to integrate a sub with the phase alignment on some subs.
I have the Paradigm Seismic 110 with room correction and I still can't blend it with the mains properly. I have tried other subs and the same result.
I've tried to use various subs with several speakers namely my old B&W LM1's and Martin Logan Vista.
I've also tried it with my 3 way speakers.

The three ways on there own sound better IMHO.
Now true 2 channel.

Have you moved any of the speakers, to make sure they're in the best position? Have you moved your listening position for the same reason? Have you walked around the room, to listen for spots where the bass is strongest and weakest? If not, do that before making your conclusion.

Placement and acoustics can cause the problems you have had integrating your sub with two-way speakers or any combination, really.

2.1 vs 5.1, etc is about speaker locations, not the number of drivers- it has nothing to do with drivers.