Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
Just a quick role call, how many of the people posting in this thread have seen the whole movie, through? It's a free watch, right from the site.

Maybe raise your hand? 911 was only 1/3 of this movie, yet it's the only thing talked about. Mtry, you'd love the first part on Religion.

SheepStar
 
J

Joe Schmoe

Audioholic Ninja
I just find it really sad and pathetic that there are still people who believe in religion.:(
 
Matt34

Matt34

Moderator
Just a quick role call, how many of the people posting in this thread have seen the whole movie, through? It's a free watch, right from the site.

Maybe raise your hand? 911 was only 1/3 of this movie, yet it's the only thing talked about. Mtry, you'd love the first part on Religion.

SheepStar

Sorry Sheep but it's just another amongst a many internet Tin-Foil production films.

I've watched a number of them about the 9/11 conspiracies and none of them hold water if you actually look at all the facts and read what the true experts have to say.

Religion....well, let me just say, whatever makes you sleep well at night.;)
 
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Joe Schmoe

Audioholic Ninja
Many "just find it really sad and pathetic that there are still people who believe" only in THEMSELVES. ;)
Me too. I believe in science, the only discipline with any legitimate claim to truth.
 
masak_aer

masak_aer

Senior Audioholic
Me too. I believe in science, the only discipline with any legitimate claim to truth.
Any claims to truth holds true until other claims prove otherwise. So there's no ultimate truth, there are only small steps towards it. Legitimacy is only so far as what our knowledge have reached.
 
aberkowitz

aberkowitz

Audioholic Field Marshall
Me too. I believe in science, the only discipline with any legitimate claim to truth.
To quote Albert Einstein, probably the greatest scientist in the history of the world:

"science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind ... a legitimate conflict between science and religion cannot exist."

also

"To be sure, the doctrine of a personal God interfering with natural events could never be refuted ... by science, for it can always take refuge in those domains in which scientific knowledge has not yet been able to set foot.""

and finally my favorite

"A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, of the manifestations of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty, which are only accessible to our reason in their most elementary forms--it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute the truly religious attitude; in this sense, and in this alone, I am a deeply religious man."
 
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Joe Schmoe

Audioholic Ninja
It is unfortunate that Einstein, who was brilliant in so many other ways, nonetheless believed in all that religious BS. Even worse, he was far from unique in that regard. (A lot of otherwise intelligent people buy into that garbage.)
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
Just a quick role call, how many of the people posting in this thread have seen the whole movie, through? It's a free watch, right from the site.

Maybe raise your hand? 911 was only 1/3 of this movie, yet it's the only thing talked about. Mtry, you'd love the first part on Religion.

SheepStar
I watched some of it on another computer. :eek:
As I suspected, no need to watch the 9/11 as all the conspiracies about it are the same or very similar fear mongering without facts. Just as I have no need to DBT cables to know :D
About the religion part, hard to say how much of his claims are accurate without consulting experts in that area. It appears they may have just picked what they liked, just don't know. I know where I stand on religion:D Have no need for it anymore.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
I just find it really sad and pathetic that there are still people who believe in religion.:(
It is part of human psyche to believe in that manner, so, it will be a while before evolution removes it.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
Any claims to truth holds true until other claims prove otherwise. So there's no ultimate truth, there are only small steps towards it. Legitimacy is only so far as what our knowledge have reached.
Yes, but science allows for corrections when otherwise comes along. :D
Religion doesn't, or hardly;)
Is there anything ultimate? Does it really matter if not? It appears everything might be relative on a short term basis only, no?:D
 
masak_aer

masak_aer

Senior Audioholic
Yes, but science allows for corrections when otherwise comes along. :D
Religion doesn't, or hardly;)
Is there anything ultimate? Does it really matter if not? It appears everything might be relative on a short term basis only, no?:D
That's what i am trying to say...;)
Science evolves with time. The more advanced our human minds are, the more old claims will be denied or shall i say supported? There's no ultimate destination in this life. Everything is only a relative equation to the 3 dimensional constraint, ok may be 4 dimensional constraint, what do i care?
 
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dronezero

Audioholic
It is unfortunate that Einstein, who was brilliant in so many other ways, nonetheless believed in all that religious BS. Even worse, he was far from unique in that regard. (A lot of otherwise intelligent people buy into that garbage.)
Don't be too hard on him. He didn't follow any dogma.

"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings." - Einstein

"I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the kind that we experience in ourselves. Neither can I nor would I want to conceive of an individual that survives his physical death; let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egoism, cherish such thoughts. I am satisfied with the mystery of the eternity of life and with the awareness and a glimpse of the marvelous structure of the existing world, together with the devoted striving to comprehend a portion, be it ever so tiny, of the Reason that manifests itself in nature." - Einstein

"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." - Einstein

"Both deism and traditional Judeo-Christian-Islamic theism must also be contrasted with pantheism, the notion attributed to Baruch Spinoza (d. 1677) that the deity is associated with the order of nature or the universe itself. This also crudely summarizes the Hindu view and that of many indigenous religions around the world. When modern scientists such as Einstein and Stephen Hawking mention 'God' in their writings, this is what they seem to mean: that God is Nature." - Victor J Stenger, Has Science Found God? (2001), chapter 3
 
furrycute

furrycute

Banned
There is no particular reason why all the physical constants in this universe have to have their unique value. There might well exist other universes where each and everyone of these physical constants can hold a different value.

Are these universes the creation of god like superbeings? Or is the existence of this multiverse network simply a manifestation of the existence of these god like superbeings.

Who knows.

Just as surely as a man will not talk to a microbe, man can be pretty sure that god will not talk to him.
 
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Johnd

Audioholic Samurai
Just as surely as a man will not talk to a microbe, man can be pretty sure that god will not talk to him.

Then you have little faith. I'm ok with that...let's just pronounce it.

And why must we always intermingle the spiritual with the worldly? Faith is a very personal thing, that can be outwardly (to others) expressed at will. I am not so sure that God will not, and does not talk to me. In fact, I know the reverse is true. :)
 
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The Dukester

Audioholic Chief
I just find it really sad and pathetic that there are still people who believe in religion.:(
I completely agree. Even Jesus himself called the "religious" elect of the day a "brood of vipers". I don't have "religion", I have a relationship with my Saviour. There is a huge difference.

I also agree with Einstein. Science more often proves the existence of God than not. After all; he created it;). It is also a fool that does not believe in science.
 
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