Returning member, Introduction & a study exists showing hearing acuity in .1 % of males

[Lewis Jordan]

Hi everyone I was here long ago under the same moniker.
I was 16 when I walked into an audiophile shop and was mesmerized...
My best forrey into audio was in 94 in NJ. Tops was closing a hi end Sony ES show room.
I had bought the Sony pyramids
http://www.audioreview.com/product/speakers/floorstanding-speakers/sony/ss-m7.html
2- TAn Es 110w mosfets
http://www.audioreview.com/product/amplification/amplifiers/sony/ta-n90es.html
As well as the Sony
DVPs9000 dvd player as a drive only & a good DAC- tubed.
For 5 grand. Blew me away, Dam$ they were making great prototypes back then.
I know my stuff & am not wealthy.

Then there was the tweaks...
You know wire physics is funny, when I first heard from an audiophile "freak" years ago that the silver plated copper conductors souned harsh in the top end, really what a nut.

It is cheap to be had teflon salvage wire. Well after comparing this interconnect that I made to a pair of pure silver, again homemade, I found statement true.
Yet it was only after upgrading all wire, everywhere to silver that I was sure. I put the old plated wire on one channel & the pure stuff on the other. The system was worth 18000.00 (more stuff added from other Tops) retail in '95. All Sony ES bought on sale. Go figure....
The nut was Jon Risch.

Now at 60 I am happy enough with my Sony mdr, Android, UAPP and 3 TB of DSD to fone, Arts whatnot.

Why am I here? The biggy.
Now I do know of a study done in 2001 proving hearing acuity in .1% of males. This is what I cannot find w/o going to the LA times
I want to find this evidence of why there may be such audiophiles as I am.
Key point in study qualifying the nature of this acuity: ability to discern the russeling of a leaf in the midst of noise, think hunter! Frequency range was normal as was absolute sensitivity. Woman had both the former advantages over men but none showed this acuity. This profile fits to a T the typical APs and their wives I have known.

 

[mtrycrafts]

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Key point in study qualifying the nature of this acuity: ability to discern the russeling of a leaf in the midst of noise, think hunter! Frequency range was normal as was absolute sensitivity. Woman had both the former advantages over men but none showed this acuity. This profile fits to a T the typical APs and their wives I have known.
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Some may call it Cocktail Party Effect? But then, I would presume that rustling of leaves and hearing it would depend on the noise level, right? And the frequency as masking effect parameters is also known.

And, in that cocktail party speech recognition, again level is critical and percent recognition of the spoken words in conversations. Less recognition as the difference is larger.

 

[lovinthehd]

Can you post up details how you compared wire and what you compared it to? Might not be acuity rather than a poor test or simply expectation bias.

Are you using the site direct on the android or via Tapatalk?

 

[Lewis Jordan]

Lovi..
As said, 1 ch all Ag the other, plated. Both tfe. Harshness always followed the plated ch. Those sony tweets zip!

New public test...

Forum critical members request of me.:

Unfortunately you can be convinced that is the case even if the sound has not changed. Next time you perform this type of test have a loved one switch the cables, or not every day. Have them keep a log and you do the same as to whether you think there is a silver cable or not. At the end of the seven days, see what percentage you got right. In other words, make the test blind so that your perception of what is what does not impact the test outcome.

To motivate your loved one and you to do the test, I will offer you $50 Amazon gift card to perform the test. Doesn't matter what the outcome is. You will get the $50. Just post the two logs when you are done and I will send you the gift card. Deal?

My response

Great idea, but I have an easier one.
I was going to make a nice cable for my Sony cans. So I make 3.
1)Silver,
2)plated silver on 1 channel & silver on other.
3) the Opposite.
4) cans can also be reversed.

I could ID them by marks on plug shaft. My wife could swithing.
The money mean nothing it is not my motivation...

The advanced editor was doing it. Fixed.

 

[mtrycrafts]

So, if I am understanding your post and test of wires on cable was on the left channel and the other on the right channel with the speakers in their respective locations?
And, what is the roll of Jon Risch?

 

[Lewis Jordan]

I thought to confirm his claim of harshness, as plated wire was all I ever used.

 

[mtrycrafts]

I thought to confirm his claim of harshness, as plated wire was all I ever used.

And, did you have one wire on the front left and the other on the front right side speakers?

And, of course this was in sighted comparisons, right? Why would one cable sound so drastically different?
Very high probability they were not different but left right acoustic, soundtrack differences, and bias.

 

[Lewis Jordan]

Lol, man you reaching too much, do you not think I would use a mono signal? WT....?

 

[lovinthehd]

You can delete your own posts - it's between the edit and report buttons next to your signature...not sure how on tapatalk.

 

[lovinthehd]

Lovi..
As said, 1 ch all Ag the other, plated. Both tfe. Harshness always followed the plated ch. Those sony tweets zip!

New public test...

Forum critical members request of me.:

Unfortunately you can be convinced that is the case even if the sound has not changed. Next time you perform this type of test have a loved one switch the cables, or not every day. Have them keep a log and you do the same as to whether you think there is a silver cable or not. At the end of the seven days, see what percentage you got right. In other words, make the test blind so that your perception of what is what does not impact the test outcome.

To motivate your loved one and you to do the test, I will offer you $50 Amazon gift card to perform the test. Doesn't matter what the outcome is. You will get the $50. Just post the two logs when you are done and I will send you the gift card. Deal?

My response

Great idea, but I have an easier one.
I was going to make a nice cable for my Sony cans. So I make 3.
1)Silver,
2)plated silver on 1 channel & silver on other.
3) the Opposite.
4) cans can also be reversed.

I could ID them by marks on plug shaft. My wife could swithing.
The money mean nothing it is not my motivation...

The advanced editor was doing it. Fixed.

What exactly is plated? The wire or the connector? This is for headphones? Or speakers? So this was your test protocol? You're testing your sonic memory or your wife?

 

[Lewis Jordan]

Trying me are you...
Wire, old test speaker, new phones. Memory???? No realtime discernment of one silver plated Cu vs Kimber ofc.!!!

 

[lovinthehd]

I can barely understand you. Trying to understand what your point is and what you're doing particularly to make a valid comparison. Why would you silverplate copper (why wld u Agplate Cu?)

 

[mtrycrafts]

Lol, man you reaching too much, do you not think I would use a mono signal? WT....?

I try not to assume especially about vague explanations.

 

[Lewis Jordan]

I can barely understand you. Trying to understand what your point is and what you're doing particularly to make a valid comparison. Why would you silverplate copper (why wld u Agplate Cu?)

I do not plate the copper, it is CHEAP TFE and has no smearing yet it produces a hi freq ringing / harshness. A perfect canidate for testing againt Kimber. The whole point being can I tell the difference.
Most forum members at the other site doubt I can...

 

[lovinthehd]

I do not plate the copper, it is CHEAP TFE and has no smearing yet it produces a hi freq ringing / harshness. A perfect canidate for testing againt Kimber. The whole point being can I tell the difference.
Most forum members at the other site doubt I can...

What is TFE? Why is the TFE cheap? You sure the ringing isn't in your head?

 

[Bucknekked]

What is TFE? Why is the TFE cheap? You sure the ringing isn't in your head?

I am going to exercise maximum restraint and not get sucked in to another cable magic thread.
The silver connector being better than the copper connector has already been massively debunked.
Silver Wire no Better than Copper

 

[Lewis Jordan]

I am going to exercise maximum restraint and not get sucked in to another cable magic thread.
The silver connector being better than the copper connector has already been massively debunked.
Silver Wire no Better than Copper

Read carefully, not about that.
About silver plated teflon, standard high temperature cheap stuff, sounding harsh.
Vs Kimber OFC. Not really different from comparing to silver but Kimber is a much more accepted. Also I like Kimber as well as silver & agree they are equal. All this to reaffirm what I could discern 24 years ago.

But that is an offshoot of my real motivation, to broadcast the existence of the 2001 study.

 

[Lewis Jordan]

What is TFE? Why is the TFE cheap? You sure the ringing isn't in your head?

Teflon is jacketing both the industrial plated & Kimber.
TFE is accepted to have the least dieletric absorption of any insulation, proven!

Yet all common teflon wire is / must be plated or tinned due to difficulty coating bare copper. Only audiophile wire is bare copper, read expensive.

 

[Lewis Jordan]

Too recap, I was enjoying my 18 grand system, then found industrial plated teflon wire sounded much more transparent. Along comes JR saying it be harsh. I thought how could he tell?

Well I proved to myself it did sound harsh....

 

[lovinthehd]

Teflon is PTFE. Try this https://www.audioholics.com/audio-video-cables/dielectric-absorption-in-cables-debunked