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dlaloum

Audioholic Chief
I prefer the ultrasonic approach because the vibration of the water molecules help loosen and lift dirt out of the grooves. I dont like the idea of using chemicals because of residue.
Even the ultrasonic methods work best with some added surfactant in the water...
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
Do you have the 22L model? Was just looking at the Amazon ads for various sizes and had a chuckle at the descriptions of "mental cleaning" and "mental apparatus"
 
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dlaloum

Audioholic Chief
Do you have the 22L model? Was just looking at the Amazon ads for various sizes and had a chuckle at the descriptions of "mental cleaning" and "mental apparatus"
Don't remember how many L - it can clean 5 or 6 records at a time.... which is sometimes handy... (I made it myself about 10 years back)
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
Don't remember how many L - it can clean 5 or 6 records at a time.... which is sometimes handy... (I made it myself about 10 years back)
I was looking at 3db's Vevor unit....or is yours also described that way on Amazon!?
 
m. zillch

m. zillch

Audioholic
If anyone happens to know where I can buy a "shower cap for the record label area" mentioned earlier, please let me know. That would be handy for my kitchen sink cleaning process.. . . Although I never fully submerge the LP I find I still inadvertently get swater drops on the paper so I'm currently blotting it dry immediately after treatment. So far so good but it would make the job easier.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
I have never washed an LP.

As I keep telling the solution is the Dust Bug.



And Dust Bug.

 
m. zillch

m. zillch

Audioholic
I used a dust bug in the 60/70s but was annoyed that it never tracked nicely with the play stylus. It always moved inward too quickly if I recall. Also I never carefully analyzed the situation but theoretically having any object scraping along the top surface during play could potentially cause a noise which travels to the pickup stylus. Heck, if you yell at your record surface during the play of a silent groove simply the vibration or your human voice vibrating the record surface can be detected!

There are some rock groups who attend the cutting of their record and during the lead-out groove they all gather around the cutting lathe and yell at the laquer surface: "Thank you for buying our record!" and that shows up (faintly) in the pressings we buy.

Anyone have an example of that they can link us to? I'll search for one later.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
I used a dust bug in the 60/70s but was annoyed that it never tracked nicely with the play stylus. It always moved inward too quickly if I recall. Also I never carefully analyzed the situation but theoretically having any object scraping along the top surface during play could potentially cause a noise which travels to the pickup stylus. Heck, if you yell at your record surface during the play of a silent groove simply the vibration or your human voice vibrating the record surface can be detected!

There are some rock groups who attend the cutting of their record and during the lead-out groove they all gather around the cutting lathe and yell at the laquer surface: "Thank you for buying our record!" and that shows up (faintly) in the pressings we buy.

Anyone have an example of that they can link us to? I'll search for one later.
You had it mounted too far forward. They do not transmit noise to the stylus.

I have used Dust Bugs for sixty years or so now, with zero issues.
 
m. zillch

m. zillch

Audioholic
Mine was setup in the same place as yours and there are only two pivot holes to choose from. Are you suggesting I was supposed to drill a new, third pivot hole?
 
m. zillch

m. zillch

Audioholic
This guy seems to have heard what I only stated as a possible concern (but I didn't examine it closely):
"You usually can't have something riding on the surface of an LP without it making enough noise that the cartridge will pick it up enough to totally ruin the experience.
We played with and rejected "Dust Bugs" in 1967. "
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Mine was setup in the same place as yours and there are only two pivot holes to choose from. Are you suggesting I was supposed to drill a new, third pivot hole?
No, I did not drill another hole. However the distance of the pivot is very critical. I have four turntables in use, all have Dust Bugs, and none have the problem you describe. In fact I have never had this problem in sixty odd years. I have never had noise transmitted through the system.
 
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3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
I have never washed an LP.

As I keep telling the solution is the Dust Bug.



And Dust Bug.

The dust bug will not work on used album purchases as affectively as an ultrasonic cleaner, not even close. Once the records have been cleaned via the ultrasonic, then the dust bug would come in very handy to maintain the cleanliness of the lps. I wouldnt mind getting two myself.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
The dust bug will not work on used album purchases as affectively as an ultrasonic cleaner, not even close. Once the records have been cleaned via the ultrasonic, then the dust bug would come in very handy to maintain the cleanliness of the lps. I wouldnt mind getting two myself.
That is absolutely true. You have to keep the discs in good condition and handle them properly. I have very few discs that I did not buy new. I bought a few from the estate of a collector in England, and his son assured me that he was obsessional about the care of his discs and he gave me pictures of his turntable. The discs were in perfect condition and play perfectly. I have not bought any vinyl for quite a few years now. So I just enjoy my collection, and I don't really have space for any more discs.
 
Eppie

Eppie

Audioholic Ninja
The dust bug will not work on used album purchases as affectively as an ultrasonic cleaner, not even close. Once the records have been cleaned via the ultrasonic, then the dust bug would come in very handy to maintain the cleanliness of the lps. I wouldnt mind getting two myself.
They are getting hard to find. I was lucky when the Doc pointed one out on Ebay two years ago and I managed to grab it. The wire handle above the brush was a little too high for my table though. I had to carefully bend it down so that it would not hit the dust cover. There is one on Ebay currently but ships from the UK and is 100 British pounds. Ouch! I paid $70 Cdn for mine (about $50 USD).

 
Mikado463

Mikado463

Audioholic Spartan
They are getting hard to find. I was lucky when the Doc pointed one out on Ebay two years ago and I managed to grab it. The wire handle above the brush was a little too high for my table though. I had to carefully bend it down so that it would not hit the dust cover. There is one on Ebay currently but ships from the UK and is 100 British pounds. Ouch! I paid $70 Cdn for mine (about $50 USD).

So, inquiring minds want to know, if the 'bug' is that great, why hasn't it be re-introduced ? Given the current resurgence in vinyl playback, albeit a niche market, one would think it would ?
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
So, inquiring minds want to know, if the 'bug' is that great, why hasn't it be re-introduced ? Given the current resurgence in vinyl playback, albeit a niche market, one would think it would ?
Probably because Cecil E. Watts is long deceased, and I have no idea who holds the patents. But he did a lot of research on the shape of the nylon brush tips and the brush itself. This was all based on his extensive research on vinyl discs using electron micro graphs. So someone would have to look up his old papers and these are very difficult to find and actually may be lost. You can't use any old brush tips you feel like.

I have been thinking about that noise issue mentioned. I suppose it is just possible those light turntable platters in junk turntables could cause the problem.

At the time Cecil Watts did his research there were essentially only three brands of turntables enthusiasts used, and that was Garrard, Thorens and Sugden. They all had heavy turntable platters. Two of my turntables are Garrard 301s, and two are by Thorens when they were made in Switzerland before the buyout. I have never heard any noise transmitted by my Dust Bugs ever. I can assure my systems would reveal it if they did.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
They are getting hard to find. I was lucky when the Doc pointed one out on Ebay two years ago and I managed to grab it. The wire handle above the brush was a little too high for my table though. I had to carefully bend it down so that it would not hit the dust cover. There is one on Ebay currently but ships from the UK and is 100 British pounds. Ouch! I paid $70 Cdn for mine (about $50 USD).

There a Dust Bug for sale in the US on eBay at the moment. If the Brush or bristles are worn, I have a good stash of spare parts.
 
m. zillch

m. zillch

Audioholic
This one looks quite stylus stylish for its price. PLUS IT HAS A GROUND WIRE TO DRAIN STATIC CHARGE! Woo-hoo. [I'd think that would only really work well if the bristles are electrically conductive.]
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My rubbery platter mat is also made by Hudson. I like it.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
This one looks quite stylus stylish for its price. PLUS IT HAS A GROUND WIRE TO DRAIN STATIC CHARGE! Woo-hoo. [I'd think that would only really work well if the bristles are electrically conductive.]
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My rubbery platter mat is also made by Hudson. I like it.
Unfortunately only the original Dust Bug works and does the job.
 
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