Recommend me some speakers?

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jamie2112

Banned
Cal St I guess...I am out there will be more suggestions tommorrow..........have a good night..
 
S

Sounds Good

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ascend is having a moving sale, (i think its still going on) you should be able to get a nice 5.1 set up for under 1K. imo i would ditch the sub and contact svs... or diy if your able... heck, from what ive been reading, even if you have to outsource the work, diy is the ONLY way to go...

btw.. according to google maps Fullerton, CA - San Clemente is only 40 miles... maybe ascend could give you a pick up only deal...
 
TjMV3

TjMV3

Full Audioholic
If this were me, with your budget and your room size; I'd do this.....

I'd buy three pair of the Jamo C603....

http://www.jamo.com/na-en/products/c-603-description/

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00120Y3MS

Use one pair for the front Left and Right speakers....

Use one C603 as your center speaker

And use one pair as your left and right rear/surround speakers.

You could use the remaining single C603 as a rear center channel, between the left and right rear/surround speakers; if you want to go 6.1.

They would run you right about $900.00 and you can buy yourself a subwoofer with the rest of the money.

The advantage here is this. You'd have every speaker eactly the same, the same Impedance of 6 Ohms and same Sensitivity of 88 dB. Every driver in every speaker....exactly the same. Makes for a very smooth and seamless audio presentation.

With a package like the Aperion, you have the front speakers at 6 ohm and 86 db, the rear speakers at 8 ohm and 84 db and the Center Channel at 8Ohm ...84 db. That's all over the place in terms of demanding loads from your receiver's power supply.


The SVS package has fronts, rears and center at nominal impedance of 8 ohms and a sensitivity of 85dB for the fronts and rears...while the center is 87dB .


No matter what Receiver you use, using 5 (or 6) of the Jamo C603's would be the easier load for the Receiver and they are fantastic sounding speakers.


Just my 2 cents.
 
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shadyJ

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Hey lifted, one of my favorite speaker companies, HSU research is in Anaheim, CA. That is the same metropolitan area as fullerton I believe? (Aren't they both LA area cities?) Anyway, they have great speaker packages for your budget, they will blow any equivalently priced retail system away. While they are internet direct, you can audition their stuff in their demo room, however you need to call a day in advance to make an appointment for that. You can audition their speakers for 30 days in your home and get a full refund if you don't care for them.

On your budget, you might ask them about the enthusiast 2 package, but replace the VTF2 with the VTF3. That should come under $1500 with their discount intact, and will give you a fantastic speaker system.
 
LifteD

LifteD

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Ok, so I just figured out that my receiver is a Denon AVR 687. Now, I've never used a receiver, so I don't really know how good it is... If you guys think it's sub-par, then I'll buy a new receiver, but it'll be included in the max budget of $1500. :)
 
TjMV3

TjMV3

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I don't have any hands-on experience with the Denon AVR 687. I have never owned it or heard it.

But what I have read about it doesn't seem all that encouraging.

One or two reviews complained of the power supply bottoming out and the receiver routinelyt shutting down. Maybe from over-heating. Not sure.

Lots of customer reviews indicate the remote control is inconsistent. In that it seems to work sometimes and then other times it does not work.

Apparently the Instruction Manuel was written by a drunken monkey.


You may want to consider a used Receiver like this one, on audiogon:

http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?miscrcvr&1252225820&/Pioneer-Vsx---82-Txs-Lower-Pri

Tom Andry reviewed this one for Audioholics:

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/receivers/pioneer-vsx-82txs

You can get a much better Receiver for your money, by looking around on audiogon and researching the used Recievers available, there. You can search for Denon, Marantz, Onkyo (or Integra) or Yamaha......which ever you wnat to check out.
 
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fredk

Audioholic General
With a package like the Aperion, you have the front speakers at 6 ohm and 86 db, the rear speakers at 8 ohm and 84 db and the Center Channel at 8Ohm ...84 db. That's all over the place in terms of demanding loads from your receiver's power supply.
There is no need to match the impedence of your speakers. Any receiver will handle 6-8 Ohms just fine. Lower efficiency like 84db might become an issue in larger rooms, but not in the OP's.

LifteD. Dennon makes good quality receivers. for your room, 75 watts/channel will be enough power. If it has the features you want, there is no need to look further.

As for speakers, go out an listen to different speakers to see what you like. We all have our favourites here, but there are a lot of good speaker manufacturers out there.
 
LifteD

LifteD

Enthusiast
I don't have any hands-on experience with the Denon AVR 687. I have never owned it or heard it.

But what I have read about it doesn't seem all that encouraging.

One or two reviews complained of the power supply bottoming out and the receiver routinelyt shutting down. Maybe from over-heating. Not sure.

Lots of customer reviews indicate the remote control is inconsistent. In that it seems to work sometimes and then other times it does not work.

Apparently the Instruction Manuel was written by a drunken monkey.


You may want to consider a used Receiver like this one, on audiogon:

http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?miscrcvr&1252225820&/Pioneer-Vsx---82-Txs-Lower-Pri

Tom Andry reviewed this one for Audioholics:

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/receivers/pioneer-vsx-82txs

You can get a much better Receiver for your money, by looking around on audiogon and researching the used Recievers available, there. You can search for Denon, Marantz, Onkyo (or Integra) or Yamaha......which ever you wnat to check out.
Thanks for the input. I think I'll be messing with the Denon and seeing how I like it (and if it doesn't fail on me) before I purchase another one. Also, the receiver that Tom Andry reviewed would cost me almost my whole budget, leaving me $300 to spend on speakers.
 
TjMV3

TjMV3

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There is no need to match the impedence of your speakers. Any receiver will handle 6-8 Ohms just fine. Lower efficiency like 84db might become an issue in larger rooms, but not in the OP's.
You know, I've read several people saying the exact same thing on these forums, over the years.

But my experience with Receivers in the $300-$600 range is less optimistic.

Seems like what you're saying should be very accurate in theory. But in practice, they always seem to cr@p out all the time. Regardless of the size of the room.

Just sharing my thoughts from my modest experiences.
 
TjMV3

TjMV3

Full Audioholic
Thanks for the input. I think I'll be messing with the Denon and seeing how I like it (and if it doesn't fail on me) before I purchase another one. Also, the receiver that Tom Andry reviewed would cost me almost my whole budget, leaving me $300 to spend on speakers.
I was refering and directing you to the audiogon link....

http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?miscrcvr&1252225820&/Pioneer-Vsx---82-Txs-Lower-Pri

That seller is selling his for $370.00 (plus you would pay shipping. You'd be getting yourself a $1,300.00 receiver for $370.00 + shipping costs.

138wpc x 2; 8 ohms - full bandwidth with less than 0.1% THD+N

235wpc x 1 and 190wpc x 2; 4 ohms with less than 0.1% THD + N.

I think you'd be all set with this reciver. Not only in your current room. But in any room you may eventually move your system into.

My point being, you can get yourself a much higher quality receiver, at a very low price (which suits your budget). Just food for thought.
 
LifteD

LifteD

Enthusiast
I was refering and directing you to the audiogon link....

http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?miscrcvr&1252225820&/Pioneer-Vsx---82-Txs-Lower-Pri

That seller is selling his for $370.00 (plus you would pay shipping. You'd be getting yourself a $1,300.00 receiver for $370.00 + shipping costs.

138wpc x 2; 8 ohms - full bandwidth with less than 0.1% THD+N

235wpc x 1 and 190wpc x 2; 4 ohms with less than 0.1% THD + N.

I think you'd be all set with this reciver. Not only in your current room. But in any room you may eventually move your system into.

My point being, you can get yourself a much higher quality receiver, at a very low price (which suits your budget). Just food for thought.
oh my bad, I forgot you were recommending used AVR's. Oh, and this whole sound system is going to be sitting in this room forever (or until it gets sold or something). It's basically going to be a gift for my dad, so he can get rid of it whenever he wants to. I'm not taking anything for myself
 
F

fredk

Audioholic General
But my experience with Receivers in the $300-$600 range is less optimistic.
Its never a good thing to lump all manufacturers together particularly in the bottom catagory. I know a lot about Dennon because the speakers I own are 4 Ohm and not all receivers will drive them. Dennon is the only company who's offerings top to bottom have consistantly been able to drive a 4 Ohm load. If you look at any of the Denon reviews, they always exceed their power ratings, sometimes by a lot.

If you look at Denon's design strategy, they consistanlty trade off features for more capable power supplies. Another company that seems to fit this mold is Sherwood. I am currently using an inexpensive (it was around $350 new) sherwood receiver. In my setup, both the mains and my dual centers are running 4 Ohm with no issues.

Its not the price, its the company (design philosophy).

To the OP: stick with the Denon for now, but hold back some money just in case. There is no sense in spending money to buy something you already have (a good receiver).
 
TjMV3

TjMV3

Full Audioholic
Its never a good thing to lump all manufacturers together particularly in the bottom catagory.
It's not about lumping all manufactors into one catagory.

I was quite clear with my comments regarding the OP's Receiver....


I don't have any hands-on experience with the Denon AVR 687. I have never owned it or heard it.

But what I have read about it doesn't seem all that encouraging.

One or two reviews complained of the power supply bottoming out and the receiver routinelyt shutting down. Maybe from over-heating. Not sure.

Lots of customer reviews indicate the remote control is inconsistent. In that it seems to work sometimes and then other times it does not work.

Apparently the Instruction Manuel was written by a drunken monkey.
The reviews are out there. If you had a better experience with the same receiver, as the OP's Receiver, I'm glad for you.

I simply submitted what I read in consumer reviews and some suggestions.

When I said this..........

You know, I've read several people saying the exact same thing on these forums, over the years.

But my experience with Receivers in the $300-$600 range is less optimistic.

Seems like what you're saying should be very accurate in theory. But in practice, they always seem to cr@p out all the time. Regardless of the size of the room.

Just sharing my thoughts from my modest experiences.
My comments were not exclusive to 4 ohm loads.

My main point was that when you have speakers within a single system, with different Impedence and different Sensitivity; in real world applications, it does present an uneven demand for power from all the different channels.

And despite what some people say, it does present a problem for a lot of the less expensive Receivers. Denon is no different.

I've encountered a few of the bottom rung Denon Receivers that cr@pped out just as badly, as thre Onkyos, the Pioneers, the Sonys and Marantz of that very same bottom rung.


Back in 2005 my buddy and I, just for kicks, tried a Denon Receiver in the $500-$600 range with my Wharfedale Opus 2; which are 6 ohm 90db.

That Deneon Receiver couldn't even handle just my pair of Opus 2, at just slightly above moderate levels. Instead of cr@pping out (by completely shutting down); as soon as I turned the volume slightly up .....the Denon receiver became screechy, distorted and fingernails-to-the-calkboard unlistenable. It was a nightmare.

And another buddy of mine from Mount Holly bought himself a Denon Receiver from the bottom rung (back in 2007) and the damn thing completely cr@pped out on him every time he tried to watch a movie. He and his wife couldn't get through 40 minutes a movie without that piece of trash completely cr@pping out.

So don't talk to me about how Denon's bottom rung Receivers are so consistently better, than all the other bottom rung Receivers on the market ....from other manufactors. Save that sales pitch for someone else who doesn't know any better.

I've experienced the same cr@p out from the bottom rungs of Onkyo, Pioneer, Marantz and Sony. Denon is no different. They have their share of trash. And that's hands-on experience.
 
LifteD

LifteD

Enthusiast
to TjMV3: If the receiver that I currently have works fine for me,
1. Would it still be good to keep it?
2. Would it be able to pump music/movies (and a tad bit of gaming) decently into a 12x10 (approximately) room?

Thanks, once again
 
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fredk

Audioholic General
My main point was that when you have speakers within a single system, with different Impedence and different Sensitivity; in real world applications, it does present an uneven demand for power from all the different channels.

And despite what some people say, it does present a problem for a lot of the less expensive Receivers. Denon is no different.
How does this present a problem? I have never seen this raised as an issue before.

My comments are based on people I know using 700,800 and 900 series Dennon receivers to drive their 4 Ohm speakers. The impedence is relevant because it presents a more difficult load for the electronics to handle pushing receivers with weakers amps/power supplies into shutdown.

Maybe the 600 series is different. I have had no experience with them.
 
TjMV3

TjMV3

Full Audioholic
to TjMV3: If the receiver that I currently have works fine for me,
1. Would it still be good to keep it?
2. Would it be able to pump music/movies (and a tad bit of gaming) decently into a 12x10 (approximately) room?

Thanks, once again

1) Sure. If it works well for you, you should definitely keep using it.

Listen, the easiest (and cheapest) thing to do is pick the speakers you want, buy them, bring them home (or order them and have them shipped). Then set them up and see how that receiver does. If it starts cr@ping out on you or straining so badly to drive your speakers, that the sound is unlistenable; you can always save/shop for another Receiver.

And if your Receiver has Preouts, you can simply buy yourself a seperate 5 channel power amplifier and use your Receiver as only a processor. With the seperate amplifier handling all of the power demands. You can find used 5 channel amps with good power all the time, on audiogon.


2) I don't know. Maybe. A good amp with a quality power supply, will pump the music and movies well at 75 watts per channel and in a room that size. Again, depending on what speakers you buy. The question remains, does that Denon have a quality power supply? I don't know that it does and at least a few consumer reviews indicate some problems with it.

For instance. I trust and have much more faiht in a n amp like the Outlaw Audio Model 7075's (7-channel Amplifier at 75 watts per channel) and it's quality power supply; over your Denon Receiver's power supply.

There's a lot of options to putting together a nice little system. And there's more ways than one to skin a cat.
 
LifteD

LifteD

Enthusiast
^ Alrighty. I actually found out that I DO have a set of 5.1 speakers in my garage (Audio Pro Allroom 5.1, should be a vast improvement over my current Logitech Z-2300 but obviously not the best), so I'm going to mount them in my room (layout won't be the same as when I get new speakers) and see how well the Denon works. :)

I'll update you guys on the receiver once I use it for a good amount of time
 
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LifteD

LifteD

Enthusiast
Oh, I have a new question! Which subwoofer should I use? My current Logitech z-2300's sub that includes an 8" long-throw, but lowest frequency is 35Hz? Or the sub included with the Allroom's which goes down to 30Hz, but has a 6 1/2" long-throw. I love how my current sub kicks (once again, small room), but I notice that it can be a bit overpowering. I think my fetish with extremely boomy subwoofers is coming towards an end... I'm now just looking for something that'll deliver good sound.

PS: I just checked an article, and it said that the crossover point for the Allroom is 100Hz. I couldn't find the exact crossover point for the Z-2300, but judging from reviews, they say it's low (but I'm not too sure how low)...
 
TjMV3

TjMV3

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How does this present a problem? I have never seen this raised as an issue before.
Like I said in layman's terms.....

It presents a disjointed and uneven demand on the power supply of any Receiver/Amp. And cheap, poorly designed Receivers/Amps with cheap, poorly designed power supplies have a difficult time handling the differential load demands.

I've heard several people say it doesn't ....shouldn't matter. And I've also heard ECE's state that it does matter, when you're using a component with a cheap, poorly designed power supply.

In my my real world experience, I find that the ECE's are right on the money.

I mean hell, even that piece of trash Anthem MCA-50 (a dedicated seperates 5 channel amplifier) I used to own, couldn't handle the power demands of 5 speakers.

Which was a huge disappointment considering that was a $2,000 amp at that time. Biggest piece of garbage amplifier I ever owned. Damn thing clipped all the time at moderate listening levels, went into shutdown all the time and had an annoying tranformer hum not only audible from the exterior of the chasis; but seeped into the speakers.

Anthem basically told me to go **** myself, even though it was completely under warranty, paid full MSRP price and I had just bought the piece of trash from a respected authorized dealer. The only other option Anthem cared to offer, was for me to pay over $800.00 to ship it to them, have it put on the bench and for the work to try and fix it. Over $800.00 for an amp barely a few days old, completely authorized and fully warranted.

A lesson well-learned early into my higher-end juorney.

Needless to say, Anthem nor Paradigm will ever grace my systems.......ever again. I wouldn't spend one single penny on their trash ever again.


My comments are based on people I know using 700,800 and 900 series Dennon receivers to drive their 4 Ohm speakers.

Maybe the 600 series is different. I have had no experience with them.

Bu that's not what you said, is it.

You said.....

" Its never a good thing to lump all manufacturers together particularly in the bottom catagory. I know a lot about Dennon because the speakers I own are 4 Ohm and not all receivers will drive them. Dennon is the only company who's offerings top to bottom have consistantly been able to drive a 4 Ohm load. If you look at any of the Denon reviews, they always exceed their power ratings, sometimes by a lot.

If you look at Denon's design strategy, they consistanlty trade off features for more capable power supplies.



So you made an all encompassing general statement about Denon Receivers, covering all their receivers...."Top to bottom"

Now you admit not being familiar with the Denon 600 Series. Yet, the OP's Receiver is a 600 Series Receiver:rolleyes:


The impedence is relevant because it presents a more difficult load for the electronics to handle pushing receivers with weakers amps/power supplies into shutdown.
Heeeeeello. Is that not what I was saying?

Ummmmm......remember when you said this....

There is no need to match the impedence of your speakers. Any receiver will handle 6-8 Ohms just fine. Lower efficiency like 84db might become an issue in larger rooms, but not in the OP's..
:rolleyes:

And that's not a given with any Receiver. In theory, yes. Any Receiver "should" be able to handle any 6-8 ohms speakers.

In the real world. No. Absolutely not! Because when they go cheap.....they go real cheap. Not only in parts, but in design.

Most of these companies don't even design their bottom of the barrel Receivers. They OEM them from some cr@p manufactor (usually in China) and slap their name brand all over the chasis.

I mean, I paid $2,000 for an Anthem amp and they went cheap on their design and parts. Imagine what these bottom of the barrel Receivers are built like.
 
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