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teloiv said:
I've killed two RX-V2500s. The first I was running all 7 speakers (7CH stereo I think). I have two Boston VR1s wired in parallel for my center - effective 4-Ohm. The second time I was running in 2CH stereo. My FL and FR are Boston VR2. My basement is around 1500 sq ft and I had the volume moderately loud.

My feeling is that the amp on this (and hence the 2600) is not really robust enough to handle low impedence loads or sustained demanding music loads. I am sure it would be fine for loud HT purposes.
Just wondering did you set the RX-V2500 to a 4 ohm load or leave it at the factory setting? If you left it at the factory settings (8 ohm) then there is the reason why it blew. Even the Yammy RX-V657 has settings to handle a 4 ohm load. Just wondering why you were able to blow 2 RX-V2500 receivers?
 
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PENG said:
When I commented that biamping was not that simple I was mistakingly thinking in terms of sound quality improvement. Bi-amping in its simple way (removing those straps only and leave the internal crossover network alone) does deal with the issue of " having enough power.........", and that's what wmitty is asking about in the first place. To bi-amp with a 3806 he will be using all 7 channels, with 4 of them driving his 4 ohm Schonberg speakers to "moderate volumes" in his relatively large room. The 3806 could run pretty hot, depending on how he defines "moderate volumes". He may not need an amp, but it is better he gets one, or go for the more robust 4806. Also, it gets more difficult if those Schonbergs are not terminated to facilitate bi-amping.

As an aside, and in terms of sound quality, I still have more questions than answers about biamping. One of the articles I read on this topic has the following to say:

"Biamping:

There are some benefits if you are biamping with identical amps in the system. By doing so, you are now driving the speakers with double the power (3dB more headroom). This may help in bass response, dynamics, and overall fidelity. Another benefit is electrical isolation between highs and lows of the speaker system as they are independently connected to separate amplifiers. This has the potential to reduce crosstalk and mutual inductance, assuming the chokes in the crossovers are isolated and the speaker cables are well separated from each other. However, if you amp is already beefy and accommodates your speakers and room and listening environment, than stay with what you have. Most audible differences are subtle if at all noticeable. The true benefits of bi-amping cannot be realized with passive crossover networks of a speaker system. Bi-amping truly shines when parts of the passive network of the speaker system is replaced by active networks where each amplifier is bandwith limited at the input. For more detailed information about bi-amping, we recommend reading the following article Benefits of Bi-Amping from Elliot Sound Products".

Here's the link:
http://www.audioholics.com/FAQs/000524_biamping_biwiring.php for the article.

Of course Polk knows best about their own speaker, and the LSi 15’s are terminated to facilitate bi-amping, but it is not relevant to others expressing their views on the “true benefits” of bi-amping.

I know I am making a point that is irrelevant to what the original poster is asking, I just want to clarify where my first response was coming from. It was a mistake on my part.
wow, that link you gave sure has a lot of information. very insteresting. I'll have to really read through that site. It's making me rethink my dream of purchasing the LSi15 and perhaps saving up for a pair of Salk speakers.
 
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PENG

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knownalien said:
It's making me rethink my dream of purchasing the LSi15 and perhaps saving up for a pair of Salk speakers.
I am not sure if the Salk will sound better than the LSi. I assume you are not going to biamp your 2105, but adding a new or used 2X200W Adcom or Rotel will set you back only a few hundred bucks, spend another $300 on an Outlaw monoblock 2200, you will have enough power for those 4 ohm LSi15. I remember some of Polk forum members were happy with the Outlaw/LSi combinations. At its price point, the ring radiator tweeter of the LSi is hard to beat.
 
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knownalien

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PENG said:
I am not sure if the Salk will sound better than the LSi. I assume you are not going to biamp your 2105, but adding a new or used 2X200W Adcom or Rotel will set you back only a few hundred bucks, spend another $300 on an Outlaw monoblock 2200, you will have enough power for those 4 ohm LSi15. I remember some of Polk forum members were happy with the Outlaw/LSi combinations. At its price point, the ring radiator tweeter of the LSi is hard to beat.
I was also looking at the Linkwitz Orion's WITH the amps it comes with. But if I went with the LSi's, then I was going to get either the Denon 4306 or 4806. But info on the 4306 is scant!! Oh, and yeah, my current 2105 will be retired so the wife can use it.
 
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I find the LSis to be nasal in the midrange. The highs are excellent, but I could not get past the plastic sounding mids. I had 3 pairs of LSi7s and tried them with a variety of amps/receivers. For average listening and movies they were fine, but for critical music listening, they didn't float my boat so I sold them.

If you want to keep that ring radiator tweeter, look at the Rockets at www.av123.com . IMO, the Salks will sound better, but you're still going to want decent power for them, and the 4806 might still be in order.

Another benefit is electrical isolation between highs and lows of the speaker system as they are independently connected to separate amplifiers.
I don't know where this came from, but it is incorrect unless using an active network. When passive biamping, full range signal is still fed to each set of terminals, so there is no difference between what the two terminals see.
 
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That article is regarding active bi-amping, but helps some to understand bi-amping concepts.
 
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j_garcia said:
I find the LSis to be nasal in the midrange. The highs are excellent, but I could not get past the plastic sounding mids. I had 3 pairs of LSi7s and tried them with a variety of amps/receivers. For average listening and movies they were fine, but for critical music listening, they didn't float my boat so I sold them.

If you want to keep that ring radiator tweeter, look at the Rockets at www.av123.com . IMO, the Salks will sound better, but you're still going to want decent power for them, and the 4806 might still be in order.
I've never heard of that company. I'm going to have to investigate.
 
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j_garcia said:
I find the LSis to be nasal in the midrange. The highs are excellent, but I could not get past the plastic sounding mids. I had 3 pairs of LSi7s and tried them with a variety of amps/receivers. For average listening and movies they were fine, but for critical music listening, they didn't float my boat so I sold them.
The 7 is 2 way, did you try the 15?
 
race4aliving

race4aliving

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j_garcia said:
I find the LSis to be nasal in the midrange. The highs are excellent, but I could not get past the plastic sounding mids. I had 3 pairs of LSi7s and tried them with a variety of amps/receivers. For average listening cand movies they were fine, but for critical music listening, they didn't float my boat so I sold them.

If you want to keep that ring radiator tweeter, look at the Rockets at www.av123.com . IMO, the Salks will sound better, but you're still going to want decent power for them, and the 4806 might still be in order.



I don't know where this came from, but it is incorrect unless using an active network. When passive biamping, full range signal is still fed to each set of terminals, so there is no difference between what the two terminals see.
J Garcia has always offered advice that clear concise and unbiased, and I usally agree with him except this. I've got a 4802 which is a previous version of the units he's looking at. the speakers I purchased after a looooonnnnggggg series of auditions of speakers. my budget was from $1500.00 to $12000.00 well I choose the Polk LSi15 To my ears I thought the mid and highs were incredible regardless of the price, I like said I had heard many many well known speakers, and most sounded great but,but to my ears and remember we all hear differentlly the Polks were the speakers that I wanted to listen my music on. Just remember at theses higher prices and from higher end builders who have a strong history each one is going to make a really fine speaker just choose the ones that sound the best to YOU not your buddy or any buddy else. it's your money. J Garcia didn't care much for the small Polks so what he hears differlently then you but when he talks about the equipment and trouble shooting his word is something each of us respects. I guess what I'm ramblin about is everbody hears differently, so have fun, listen to as much gear as you can
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

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No, I did not hear the 9s (which have the same midrange array as the 15s) in my system, but I have heard them in the store and they still had the same characteristic sound. They are more clear than the 7s, with more midrange, but the midrange (as stated) to my ears, was lacking something. This is definitely a matter of taste. Just like the Paradigm Monitor series I used to own for years, these particular speakers weren't what I was looking for. Most everything you read on a forum such as this is an opinion, so you have to take what you read with a grain of salt. :)
 
race4aliving

race4aliving

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Yeah, especially speakers. find a bunch speakers that are recomended and spend a lot of time at the shops demoing and if the shops are cool they will let you take them home to demo them. like I said before , take your time and have some fun with it. it's a great chance to go through the CD collection and hear some stuff you haven't listend to in a while.
 

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