Really great vinyl listens last night, Red Hot Chili Peppers and Nine Inch Nails.

WookieGR

WookieGR

Full Audioholic
I'm slowly working my way through some vinyls I got recently. Many are not that impressive, whether it be the latest remaster of The Beatles Sgt Pepper with it's slightly compressed sound stage and noisey vinyl or even KISS's Walmart exclusive Orange vinyl of Destroyer which is just plain awful in not only dynamics but sounds like an 128 MP3.

Other vinyls have been good with minimal noise or other sound quality issues but never really stand out as memorable. Pink Floyd's 2016 remaster of "Wish You Were Here" was good.

However, last night my mind was finally blown. With the new, all analog production of Red Hot Chili Peppers "Unlimited Love" double LP I struck gold. It was clean with no persistent background noise, the subtleties in the instruments and the production value was all there. It's what I was hoping for on a good vinyl. The album is dreadfully boring as a listen but the experience was there and it was great.

I'm sure most audiophiles have music they listen to for the sake of listening to it for the sonic pleasure it brings while the rest of their music is the actual music they like listening to whether it be in the car or the background somewhere. "Unlimited Love" falls into the former for me.

On a whim, I just wanted something with a little more energy and dynamics and unwrapped Nine Inch Nails "Pretty Hate Machine" remastered from 2010. When removing the record from the sleeve it was confetti'd with paper dust/shards and took way too long to clean. Once all the debris was visually removed I took a chance and played it. It literally sounded like the HD Audio version and it was incredible. The bass was amazing, the highs were tingly, the mids were marvelous, there is nothing negative to say about that release. Side A that is. When I went through the hoops to clean side B it was a noisey mess and there were too many quiet passages on that side to make it listenable. It sounded way different. But side A was an eye opener as to what's still possible with the format. A more aggressive cleaning on side B may of helped but I have a life beyond scrubbing records for a single listen.

After the last couple weeks, my wife and I are mostly disappointed with vinyl in not only it's lack of dynamics on many titles but the excruciating effort cleaning them to make them listenable. Sometimes we get lucky with good disc's like last night but most evenings we inevitably switch to the 24/96 library and just marvel at that instead. The Elton John SACD's are a revelation whenever you doubt your system.

I've got a good 80 more LP's to listen to but chances of us buying more are slim. The artwork, photos, packaging etc are very nice but way too expensive for the potentially bad listening experience it can be. I haven't given up yet.
 
everettT

everettT

Audioholic Spartan
I'm slowly working my way through some vinyls I got recently. Many are not that impressive, whether it be the latest remaster of The Beatles Sgt Pepper with it's slightly compressed sound stage and noisey vinyl or even KISS's Walmart exclusive Orange vinyl of Destroyer which is just plain awful in not only dynamics but sounds like an 128 MP3.

Other vinyls have been good with minimal noise or other sound quality issues but never really stand out as memorable. Pink Floyd's 2016 remaster of "Wish You Were Here" was good.

However, last night my mind was finally blown. With the new, all analog production of Red Hot Chili Peppers "Unlimited Love" double LP I struck gold. It was clean with no persistent background noise, the subtleties in the instruments and the production value was all there. It's what I was hoping for on a good vinyl. The album is dreadfully boring as a listen but the experience was there and it was great.

I'm sure most audiophiles have music they listen to for the sake of listening to it for the sonic pleasure it brings while the rest of their music is the actual music they like listening to whether it be in the car or the background somewhere. "Unlimited Love" falls into the former for me.

On a whim, I just wanted something with a little more energy and dynamics and unwrapped Nine Inch Nails "Pretty Hate Machine" remastered from 2010. When removing the record from the sleeve it was confetti'd with paper dust/shards and took way too long to clean. Once all the debris was visually removed I took a chance and played it. It literally sounded like the HD Audio version and it was incredible. The bass was amazing, the highs were tingly, the mids were marvelous, there is nothing negative to say about that release. Side A that is. When I went through the hoops to clean side B it was a noisey mess and there were too many quiet passages on that side to make it listenable. It sounded way different. But side A was an eye opener as to what's still possible with the format. A more aggressive cleaning on side B may of helped but I have a life beyond scrubbing records for a single listen.

After the last couple weeks, my wife and I are mostly disappointed with vinyl in not only it's lack of dynamics on many titles but the excruciating effort cleaning them to make them listenable. Sometimes we get lucky with good disc's like last night but most evenings we inevitably switch to the 24/96 library and just marvel at that instead. The Elton John SACD's are a revelation whenever you doubt your system.

I've got a good 80 more LP's to listen to but chances of us buying more are slim. The artwork, photos, packaging etc are very nice but way too expensive for the potentially bad listening experience it can be. I haven't given up yet.
You should explore some of the direct to disc recordings from Seffield Labs, some of which will take some hunting.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
Maybe share notes with these guys for recordings to aim at/avoid https://forums.audioholics.com/forums/threads/what-vinyl-only-are-ya-listening-to-thread.119868/ ?

When I play vinyl these days its mostly about a memory/nostalgia, not the convenience or fidelity particularly, but it can definitely help me overlook some faults inherent with some and the handling and reading notes help bring back those memories, and further helps me think of people I enjoyed that music with, so a few snaps crackles and pops aren't so important. I don't get in the mood often, as I have a more convenient way of playing much of my favorite stuff that I've got on vinyl, but there's some stuff I don't have digital versions of and keep handy. I haven't bought new vinyl in 25 years now I think....

Curious, on the particularly noisy ones that are new that you've bought, have you tried returning/exchanging for a cleaner copy?
 
WookieGR

WookieGR

Full Audioholic
Maybe share notes with these guys for recordings to aim at/avoid https://forums.audioholics.com/forums/threads/what-vinyl-only-are-ya-listening-to-thread.119868/ ?

When I play vinyl these days its mostly about a memory/nostalgia, not the convenience or fidelity particularly, but it can definitely help me overlook some faults inherent with some and the handling and reading notes help bring back those memories, and further helps me think of people I enjoyed that music with, so a few snaps crackles and pops aren't so important. I don't get in the mood often, as I have a more convenient way of playing much of my favorite stuff that I've got on vinyl, but there's some stuff I don't have digital versions of and keep handy. I haven't bought new vinyl in 25 years now I think....

Curious, on the particularly noisy ones that are new that you've bought, have you tried returning/exchanging for a cleaner copy?
I went on a vinyl shopping spree across the state hitting several small record stores. I think around 90% of the collection was bought in a single day.. long ass day. You should have seen the trunk of the car!

I wanted to support the record shops over buying from Amazon or Walmart but still did that for things I could not find on my trip. I have no plans to return anything.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
I went on a vinyl shopping spree across the state hitting several small record stores. I think around 90% of the collection was bought in a single day.. long ass day. You should have seen the trunk of the car!

I wanted to support the record shops over buying from Amazon or Walmart but still did that for things I could not find on my trip. I have no plans to return anything.
Back in the day I'd pretty much do all my vinyl shopping with one stop, Tower Records (San Francisco, at Bay & Columbus). Made it easier to return the funky ones, and I rarely bought a used record....
 
WookieGR

WookieGR

Full Audioholic
Back in the day I'd pretty much do all my vinyl shopping with one stop, Tower Records (San Francisco, at Bay & Columbus). Made it easier to return the funky ones, and I rarely bought a used record....
I haven't and won't do used. We looked at the used in every store for a certain Tom Waits album and every single time they smelled musty and moldy. No way, jose.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
Back in the day I'd pretty much do all my vinyl shopping with one stop, Tower Records (San Francisco, at Bay & Columbus). Made it easier to return the funky ones, and I rarely bought a used record....
I go to SF North Beach a lot for the Italian food :) That Tower is now a Walgreens :(

There are a lot of little vinyl shops around in various areas though. There are a few in downtown SJ and I found a pretty cool pair of them in Hayward across the street from each other.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
I go to SF North Beach a lot for the Italian food :) That Tower is now a Walgreens :(

There are a lot of little vinyl shops around in various areas though. There are a few in downtown SJ and I found a pretty cool pair of them in Hayward across the street from each other.
Is Amoeba still around the bay area? Rasputin's? Definitely was some good food to be had in NB. A Walgreens....hard to imagine.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
I haven't and won't do used. We looked at the used in every store for a certain Tom Waits album and every single time they smelled musty and moldy. No way, jose.
Yeah that smell wouldn't be good. I thought you'd mentioned used; it wasn't much of a thing back then except maybe near a university.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
Is Amoeba still around the bay area? Rasputin's? Definitely was some good food to be had in NB. A Walgreens....hard to imagine.
It was turned into a Walgreens many years ago. I remember the first time I drove by and saw that, it was just a huge shock. The building is basically the same as before, that sort of triangular shape with the weird parking lot, it just looks like Walgreens now. Somewhere in my files I have some pics of it when they announced it would be closing, while it was still Tower.


Amoeba is still around, two locations here. Rasputin's I am not sure. I believe a few locations are still around, but they're dwindling.
 
Mikado463

Mikado463

Audioholic Spartan
I haven't and won't do used.
understood, but if you know what you're doing and have the right gear to clean it can be rewarding. I've managed about an 80 % success rate I'd guess.

While I'm not sure where you are located if ever in Northern NJ there's the 'Princeton Record Exchange' and if in Upstate NY another great store is 'Record Archive' in Rochester, NY
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
Don't forget Discogs, can be pretty good ime with optical discs at least....
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
Ive bought my fair share of used and new vinyl. Ive had mostly good luck with both new and used but ran into noisy ones in both categories.
 
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