Ray Rice Fiasco

[herbu]

The NFL is all about image, either real or manufactured. You can do what you want to whomever you want as long as it doesn't hit the media or they can cover it up. They will do as litte as possible to their golden boys as long as they think the public either doesn't know or doesn't care.

Unlike politicians, executives, etc...

 

[markw]

These sports figures get way to much money for what they do and in some of them it goes to their head and almost gives them a God complex and feel that whatever they do is OK.

This attitude exists in sports all over, not just pro sports. Jocks are many times given special dispensation in high scchool and college as well. Here's just one quick example.

 

[Rickster71]

It makes a bunch of people say "Good! He deserved it!" - but I bet almost none of those people wouldn't feel that way if their own job could pass such judgements.

I agree. Good post, I just wanted to add/comment on a few things.

Can't help but think much of this should be a personal matter.
Looks like the wife views her marriage as she would a job and its salary and what she's willing to put up with in exchange for a lavish lifestyle.

Ray Rice acted the douche. But, the NFL didn't act appropriately,

The NFL acted as all money making institutions would. Keep the stream of money coming in as long as possible.
All of the sports institutions have to be dumbfounded at the money fans are willing pay to watch a bunch of millionaires throw a ball around.

NFL should have stood up to help address the issue, and encourage Rice to be a better man. Instead they turned their back on him and walk away, leaving him on his own, and ignoring the real issue.

I'd think at this salary level Rice is a big boy and would be expected to act accordingly.

 

[markw]

Speaking of golden boys getting away with murder, this little tidbit just popped up.

'Allen last month rejected McClain's offer to serve 3 ½ years in prison. Nappen said Allen was not denied entry into the program due to her gun charges. Many prosecutors in the state allow individuals like Allen or choose not to prosecute similar suspects, he said.
“The prosecutor has the discretion,” he said. “That’s the bottom line. So pretrial intervention is absolutely something this prosecutor could have done for Shaneen but did not and chose to do so for Ray Rice.”'

 

[Chu Gai]

While she didn't knock anybody out, two time Olympic gold medalist Hope Solo was arrested earlier this year on charges of domestic violence (an altercation with her half sister and nephew). Trial is scheduled for November. The team she plays on, the Seattle Reign, did not suspend her. If I'm not mistaken, I heard that in the NFL, charges of domestic violence will not be dealt with in a similar fashion.

 

[Ponzio]

Bye Bye ... Roger

Report: Law enforcement sent Rice video to NFL exec months ago | ProFootballTalk

 

[ErnieM]

This works both ways, as a pro athelete in a sport like football you have to be aggressive to survive, and I can tell you first had when I was a little younger and after a a few hours in the gym I would leave not needing much to provoke me, its kind of built into us I think, you get pumped up and your body reacts before your brain... Now that being said I NEVER hit my wife and never would, Im 285lbs and she is 115 lol, so even if she charged me with a butcher knife I think I could disarm her with out closing my hand in self defense...

NOW another way to look at this is , some women are just not ladies, I am lucky enough to have NEVER had to raise my voice to my wife never mind my hand, but I have friends and a sister that at times I have thought to myself, "why doesn't someone smack this b!tch", lol.. About 5 months ago I was in a restaurant {not a chilis, this was a nice place} and the couple sitting next to us, moved to the table from the bar, started to argue, they were both "feeling good" and she was just being belligerent, loud, obnoxious, I wanted to move tables but the couple me and my wife were with didn't... So the manager comes over and asks them to keep it down, she was rude to him and they did quiet down but throughout dinner we could hear her remarks, they were arguing about him getting a text message from his mother and not waiting until they left the restaurant before reading it... I don't know the back story but it was obvious from what I seen she was just a b!tch... They leave before us and then about 10 minutes later we see police cars in the parking lot, from what another patron said that was walking in he was choking her on the ground and some people had to pull him off of her...

I am a little ashamed in saying it, but I understand... I never hit a girl but I seen where he was coming from, I wanted to kick the chair out from under her and had no stake in the argument.. Now the difference between wanting to do it and doing it is what separates us, I have the self control and the understanding not to hit a child or women, BUT who knows if I had to put up with that for 12 years, maybe I would be ready to forego the self control and uppercut that broad into september 2018... Where I would be at fault and deserve to get punished, but we don't know maybe he is fine with the punishment, maybe it was worth it to him???

The issue is that someone who has a certain ability or power needs to be able to handle that ability or power responsibly, no matter the provocation. A police officer who overreacts to an offensive vulgar citizen should, IMHO, be disciplined BECAUSE he/she has been given the authority to carry a gun. A professional athlete carries a physical power that the rest of us do not. With the privileges and benefits of using that power in the pursuit of sports glory comes responsibility to not abuse it.

 

[lsiberian]

Sadly, when you combine steroids with CTE you are going to get a violent irrational person. I love football, but we are not talking about a mentally stable and healthy individual when we discuss an NFL player. I fear for the safety of Ray's family and I think he should be kept out of the league for his own well being. It's not gonna help him to shoot up and go bash his head in some more.

Of course let's not forget the good being done with Still in Cincinnati.

 

[Chu Gai]

Bye Bye ... Roger

Report: Law enforcement sent Rice video to NFL exec months ago | ProFootballTalk

It's not clear if that was the elevator footage with the knockout punch. If so, he should be fined appropriately and resign. So should anyone in their executive committee that saw it and didn't act on it. I've heard Roger makes north of 40 million.

 

[crossedover]

727 arrests or citations since 2000... NFL Arrests Database

 

[Ponzio]

It's not clear if that was the elevator footage with the knockout punch. If so, he should be fined appropriately and resign. So should anyone in their executive committee that saw it and didn't act on it. I've heard Roger makes north of 40 million.

Roger Rabbit flubbed up. He thought he could put the onus on the NJ state police and they would play along because of their lax treatment of Mr. Rice but obviously someone at Woodbury, NJ HQ got a bit miffed and ratted him out anyway. It's every man for himself at this point and there's one more shoe to drop and that's with the Ravens organization. Forget Steve Bisciotti, the owner, taking the fall but I wouldn't be surprised if GM Ozzie Newsome and his minions get their heads shaved.

 

[Swerd]

Roger Rabbit flubbed up. He thought he could put the onus on the NJ state police and they would play along because of their lax treatment of Mr. Rice but obviously someone at Woodbury, NJ HQ got a bit miffed and ratted him out anyway. It's every man for himself at this point and there's one more shoe to drop and that's with the Ravens organization. Forget Steve Bisciotti, the owner, taking the fall but I wouldn't be surprised if GM Ozzie Newsome and his minions get there heads shaved.

Roger is a lawyer. You have to read his words carefully. He said, "No one in the NFL executive offices saw that (elevator) tape."

He didn't deny that no one in the NFL executive offices knew what was in the tape, only that they hadn't seen it.

He also didn't deny that some one in the NFL, but not in the executive offices, hadn't seen the tape.

Plausible deniability, or weasel words?

 

[Ponzio]

So he's either lying or incompetent. Either way the owners will decide his fate.

 

[Chu Gai]

So, bet on or against the Ravens in Week 2?

 

[defmoot]

Oil check!

 

[defmoot]

Also, let's not forget that in this day and age, and more than ever, the personal is political.

There is a lot more riding on this whole mess than the facts, whatever they really are.

Lots of "players" with their angle and an agenda waiting to leverage whatever they can out of it.

 

[Ponzio]

Also, let's not forget that in this day and age, and more than ever, the personal is political.

There is a lot more riding on this whole mess than the facts, whatever they really are.

Lots of "players" with their angle and an agenda waiting to leverage whatever they can out of it.

+1

I doubt Roger is looking to the players for support, they despise him and his Judge Roy Bean act. No, like I stated earlier, his fate lies in the hands of the owners at this point. If this was a pissing match between Roger and the players, Roger could thumb his nose up at them without fear of retribution but consistent negative public condemnation over a sustained period of time just might seal his fate, for the worst. Even though he's made a ton of money for the owners, they will write him a nice fat juicy going away check and convince him to fall on his sword for the "good" of the game. Hell, even ESPN, the NFL's biatch, has turned their back on him; not a good sign.

 

[Rickster71]

It's interesting that the incident has never been an issue for Janay Rice.
She repeated her defense of her husband today in a brief interview with ESPN, saying,
"I love my husband. I support him. I want people to respect our privacy in this family matter."

The Libertarian in me wonders whatever happened to personal responsibility? At the pay grade of Ray Rice there should be plenty.
Funny how the blame will ultimately be shifted to the NFL... the one's with the deepest pockets.

Seems like only the rich men and women make the front page:
Ten worst countries for women | Toronto Star

 

[ImcLoud]

It's interesting that the incident has never been an issue for Janay Rice.
She repeated her defense of her husband today in a brief interview with ESPN, saying,
"I love my husband. I support him. I want people to respect our privacy in this family matter."

The Libertarian in me wonders whatever happened to personal responsibility? At the pay grade of Ray Rice there should be plenty.
Funny how the blame will ultimately be shifted to the NFL... the one's with the deepest pockets.

Seems like only the rich men and women make the front page:
Ten worst countries for women | Toronto Star

I don't know how I feel about the wife... I mean she can leave and be pretty well off I am sure... BUT she doesn't, so maybe she likes being hit, or she knows she needs it sometimes? I don't know... I know its not PC, but I have mixed feelings about this, I feel no women should be abused, but if she sticks around and has options, than who are we to say its wrong? This is a slippery slope, I don't know how I feel either way... If a women has very little options that is another story, maybe... Because what if the guy just likes to beat his wife up, maybe he should find a wife that likes to be beat up, maybe that is the case here... So if he likes to hit women and she like to get hit, then who are we to say anything about it, obviously don't do it in public, but "to each their own"....

Does that make sense? I know you would think no one likes to get hit, but this is a weird world, and people like weird things, it may be unspoken, but she may push his buttons until he knocks her out, and that is their thing, then they make up and have a great time???? Who knows, weirder stuff exists, look at the platypus, that thing is weird as FK...

I'll be honest here, me and my wife have a disagreement and then makeup, sometimes its fun, where we argue with out raising our voices, they smash each other with upper cuts, who knows? Makeup sex can be exciting and fun, sometimes it will outweigh the negatives incurred from the argument...

I was looking for a picture to go with this post, so searched "make up sex" {I swear I was looking for a pic for the post} and seen this, it took me a minute, but now I get it, its early in the morning here... Get it?

 

[markw]

What I find interesting about the wife is that she's not mad about being KOed: She's mad that he lost his good paying job and is pithed at the media for that, not her husband for doing it in the first place.