questions about speaker systems

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gus6464

Audioholic Samurai
I would never power a pair of 800D with a receiver, that is just wrong. Get yourself an amp for at least the fronts and center channel. Although at that level you would be better off with going with a pre/pro like the Integra 9.8 and then a good 5ch amp like a Parasound Halo.
 
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jamie2112

Banned
I would never power a pair of 800D with a receiver, that is just wrong. Get yourself an amp for at least the fronts and center channel. Although at that level you would be better off with going with a pre/pro like the Integra 9.8 and then a good 5ch amp like a Parasound Halo.
I agree you really cannot find a receiver that will power the 800D. He will need a power amp at least for the fronts and center.
 
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jamie2112

Banned
There are no shops near you that carry the 800 series, but that is a GREAT system you are thinking about. I would get that if I had the money for sure..
 
mazersteven

mazersteven

Audioholic Warlord
I didn't think you could put together a B&W 800D system for under $10,000. :eek: Please tell me where. The electronics alone might surpass that.
 
Davemcc

Davemcc

Audioholic Spartan
Being in Australia poses some difficulty in recommending certain brands that aren't available there and the pricing may be completely different. Having said that, here's a few suggestions for a system that might work that would be awesome, IMO and the local dealers in Australia where you can find them.

Speakers - Dynaudio Focus 220 x 2, Focus 200C x1, Focus 140 x 2.
Local dealer - http://www.dynaudio.com/eng/systems/dist_asia_det.php?dist_asia_id=14?sid=

Subwoofer - SVS PB13 Ultra (if the local price is an issue, choose a PB12 Plus/2 or a PB12 Plus)
Local dealer - http://www.deephzaudio.com/Prices Aus.htm

Amplifier - Rotel RMB1095
Local dealer - http://www.rotel.com/UK/DealersIntl.htm?LookupType=C&Country=Australia&Submit.x=6&Submit.y=3&Submit=Submit

Processor - Onkyo Professional PR-SC885P
Local dealer - can't find one but here is the international distributor. http://www.eikiinternationalinc.com/OnkyoPro/Products/Preamplifiers/PRSC885P.aspx

I think this would be an awesome system, near your budget and available in Australia.
 
WmAx

WmAx

Audioholic Samurai
1st, if you are in Australia, while the AU $ might be close to the US$ in theory, in reality, AU electronics are far higher priced than US versions. I don't know why this is so, but it is, and has been for as long as I can remember. I have had friends in AU PayPal me $ so I can post electronics like digital cameras over to them. You can easily pay near 2x the $ for the same item in AU as compared to the US. So be prepared.

Well, I heard a person say it's all about one's personal 'taste' earlier in this thread. Really, that is not so, as perceptual studies have proven again and again, when knowledge of the brand and model is hidden behind acoustically transparent curtains, almost all listeners pick the same speakers in a single acoustical environment, and the preference is predictable even, according to measured behaviors and examining the acoustical environment the speaker will used within.

Do you want the best performance for your money? Or are looks/prestige also important factors? Are you willing to use some acoustical hanging panels in your room?

You mentioned B&W800D speakers - this will of course radically go over your $10k budget you inititially mentioned - but later you stated you would go over this budget. But by how much, and for what specific reason?

The B&W802D is a better speaker than the 800D. The 802D has all of the positive traits of the 800D(no resonance what so ever - very rare even in high end speakers - and critical to top performance level), but has an even flatter frequency response as compared to the 800D. The 802D is considerably lower in cost as compared to the 800D.

Ideally, if you want to achieve the best sound quality for music listening also, you would employ precision DSP crossover/equalizers into your system. These allow you to integrate a sub perfectly, and to change the tonal response of the speaker to suite your specific preferences -- making the 'specific speaker for your taste' point moot. The 802D is not substantially outclassed by any monopolar speaker at any price, of which I am aware; combined with it's relatively linear response, and combined with a precision DSP unit, it is near the ultimate in sound quality so far as monopolar speakers go.

For a sub - I don't know of a better retail offering than the SVS top of the line 13 ULTRA for the price. One or two of these, crossed/integrated with the DSP crosover system I referred to, at 50-60Hz, and you will have more clean low bass than you ever need in a normal size room.

-Chris
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
If you have to use a receiver, you better get a Denon 5308 or Yamaha Z11. The Z11 will produce a little more power than the 5308.

Otherwise, do what others are saying and get a $400 Yamaha receiver and buy a separate amp.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
The B&W802D is a better speaker than the 800D.
What?

Do we even have the measurements for the 800D? I know stereophile has the measurements for the 800, but not the 800D.
 
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memyselfandi

Enthusiast
Thanks for you help. I'll spend a max of 10k for a speaker system which will last a few years but if it will last much longer, say 20 years, then my budget gos to a maximum of 50k
 
WmAx

WmAx

Audioholic Samurai
Thanks for you help. I'll spend a max of 10k for a speaker system which will last a few years but if it will last much longer, say 20 years, then my budget gos to a maximum of 50k
That is a good point. The top of the line B&W units are incredibly long standing as quality speakers. The B&W Matrix 801 Series II that was released in the late 80s, is by most standards, still superior to most high end speakers available today. That is a 20 year old speaker system that still has few competitors that can exceed it today. The 802D, I can see no reason why this would not still be a superb hi-fidelity unit even 15-20 years from now.

BTW, for the best sound in multi-channel/surround, realize you should try to use 3 identical speakers for the Left, Center and Right channels. It can be difficult sometimes to fit three full size speakers across the room like this, but if you are willing to mount the video screen about 35-40" up from the floor, then you can fit the full size floorstander in the center. The surround channels don't have to be anywhere near the quality of the front three channels; the surround channels primarily deal only with sound effects and ambiance.

The 802D should be powered with an amplifier that has low impedance capabilities, and have a minimum of 400 watts output at 8 ohms, for maximum performance capabilities. You don't need this much power, but it will ensure that no matter what situation(or dynamic content of a recording), that your amplifiers will not clip. BTW, there is no reason to spend much on amplifiers. You can, for example, get pro sound installation amplifiers of superb quality and high output power for much cheaper than comparable capability home amplifiers. However, the pro amps are not pretty, the home amps generally attractive. As for fan noise from pro amps, the Yamaha P****S series pro amps have fans, but the fans never activate unless you push the amps very hard for a long time; never a case in domestic use. The main monetary investment should go into the speakers, and the pre-amp/processor unit(s). But you don't even have to spend that much on good processors these days. The Yamaha RX-V2700 or RX-V2800 receiver has a 1st class pre-amp and processor, and full HDMI abilities. You can use this as a pre-amp and simply not use the built in amplifiers. A comparable stand alone processor would cost several thousand dollars, compared to about $1000-$1200 for the recommended receiver. But I also recommend DSP crossovers/processors, and you need 2 of them for a 6 channel surround system. The Behringer DCX2496, the unit I recommend for value, is about $275 each. You would place these between the RX-V2700 pre-amp outputs and the amplifier inputs.

-Chris
 
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memyselfandi

Enthusiast
my tv is easily movable its on a wall mount. By the way how much are the B&Ws because i cant find a price for them
 
WmAx

WmAx

Audioholic Samurai
my tv is easily movable its on a wall mount. By the way how much are the B&Ws because i cant find a price for them
The B&W 802D currently retails for $7000 USD each unit, in the United States. In Australia, there is no telling, but it is probably much more for Australians, if the price ratio is the same as it is for general consumer electronics over there compared to USA prices.

-Chris
 
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memyselfandi

Enthusiast
I can probably buy them in the USA. I'm going there to check on my californian properties because I am selling one of my beachfronts and I want to be there in a couple of weeks. It'll be cheaper to just bring them back with me.
 
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memyselfandi

Enthusiast
I'll tell the customs officers I already owned them and I took them over there to get new cones because you can't get them replaced here. They don't know anything about audio.
 
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gus6464

Audioholic Samurai
The B&W 802D is a big speaker. They are delivered in crates when you buy them and are very heavy. I highly doubt you can take a pair with you on a plane without charging you a ridiculous amount. Plus at $14000 USD a pair it won't be as easy to get through customs.
 
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