ProjectionDesign 1080p LED Projector

[BMXTRIX]

Only about 700 lumens on this, and I've got no idea what their MSRP will be, but probably a lot...

http://www.projectiondesign.com/Default.asp?CatID=1778

Yet, it's a full 1080p projector and will need a new lamp right around the time your plasma or lcd display dies on you.

I figure in about three years we may truly start seeing the end of the UHP lamp, but this is definitely a step in the right direction for projection lamp technology.

 

[lsiberian]

I look forward to that day. I love the potential of LED.

 

[tcarcio]

Looks good but the price could be very ugly. 700 lumens would be fine in a light controled room and it would be nice not to worry about a new bulb every year or two.

 

[BMXTRIX]

Looks good but the price could be very ugly.

Don't be ridiculous! Just because the cheapest lens they have for the F32 proejctor is $2,500 list price doesn't mean that this projector will cost $20,000.

What it means is that it probably will cost more!

As I said - no idea what the price will be, but probably a lot.

I expect list to be in the $23K to $25K range based upon their other F32 models.

 

[lsiberian]

Looks good but the price could be very ugly. 700 lumens would be fine in a light controled room and it would be nice not to worry about a new bulb every year or two.

Yeah but you know it's the first line so they are paying for all the research still.

In about 5 years I suspect LED's will dominate the PJ market.

 

[Audioholics]

I'm all for LED... 700 lumens is plenty... No idea why they should be more expensive. LEDs aren't all that expensive to manufacture since they are essentially a solid state component unless there's something I don't know about these particular models that are being developed... tolerances, etc... I'm sure they'll come up with a reason for this new technology to recoup the R&D investment money before it drops to where it should be.

5 years sounds about right, though it may be less given that other industries are hitting up LED lighting in spades as well (seen any of those new rechargeable LED worklights?)

 

[BMXTRIX]

I'm all for LED... 700 lumens is plenty... No idea why they should be more expensive. LEDs aren't all that expensive to manufacture since they are essentially a solid state component unless there's something I don't know about these particular models that are being developed... tolerances, etc... I'm sure they'll come up with a reason for this new technology to recoup the R&D investment money before it drops to where it should be.

I think the problem is that even with high intensity LED lights, you can't come anywhere near to the point light source capabilities which a UHP lamp delivers. This means that they can't use a single reflector in a nice case like they do with traditional lamp systems, unless they go down to the Pico projector sized stuff, which is (notably) very reasonably priced.

The larger/brighter models can't accomplish LED lamps by using one bright LED, but need to use an array of LEDs, which then require newly designed optics to get the light tunnelled properly to the DLP chip. They are using the colored LEDs, which is nice and gets rid of the color wheel, but I am not sure if they are using a flat array of lights intermixed (RGB) or three separate light arrays of RGB.

With LCD, I would expect three separate arrays of LEDs, but DLP probably uses one. The redirecting of the light path with the larger light source would be something of a hindrance and has been something manufacturers have been dealing with.

As for why THIS projector would be more expensive is because of the manufacturer themselves. $20K, without lens, is pretty normal from these guys. I will try to get one to borrow from them for a few days if I can. Not sure they'll give it up, but I will do my best.

 

[lsiberian]

I think the problem is that even with high intensity LED lights, you can't come anywhere near to the point light source capabilities which a UHP lamp delivers. This means that they can't use a single reflector in a nice case like they do with traditional lamp systems, unless they go down to the Pico projector sized stuff, which is (notably) very reasonably priced.

The larger/brighter models can't accomplish LED lamps by using one bright LED, but need to use an array of LEDs, which then require newly designed optics to get the light tunnelled properly to the DLP chip. They are using the colored LEDs, which is nice and gets rid of the color wheel, but I am not sure if they are using a flat array of lights intermixed (RGB) or three separate light arrays of RGB.

With LCD, I would expect three separate arrays of LEDs, but DLP probably uses one. The redirecting of the light path with the larger light source would be something of a hindrance and has been something manufacturers have been dealing with.

As for why THIS projector would be more expensive is because of the manufacturer themselves. $20K, without lens, is pretty normal from these guys. I will try to get one to borrow from them for a few days if I can. Not sure they'll give it up, but I will do my best.

I think they typiclly use seperate RGB LEDs.

 

[xiaoliang]

yeah!good!

I look forward to that day. I love the potential of LED.

 

[basspig]

There's a 100 watt LED chip on the market now with a per unit cost of $120. The light output is roughly equivalent or greater than a 500 watt quartz halogen lamp worklight. It can burn a hole in black plastic in about a minute. It runs at 28VDC @ 3.8A or so. It's rated at 7,000 lumens. I could see something like this accelerating the migration to solid state light sources.
I personally would like to see projection systems with about 5,000-8,000 lumens, and movies shot with less of a compressed gamma curve, so that a scene with sunlight is really bright like the sun, and dark scenes can be even darker, because the higher brightness lamp will raise the overall picture brightness.
Direct sunlight is 100,000 lux. If we could approach that brightness off the screen when full white is displayed, then we'll have crossed another hurdle in achieving a high fidelity picture. Of course that would require totally different exposure setup for filmmakers.

 

[agarwalro]

Direct sunlight is 100,000 lux. If we could approach that brightness off the screen when full white is displayed, then we'll have crossed another hurdle in achieving a high fidelity picture. Of course that would require totally different exposure setup for filmmakers.

Would'nt that be artificial sunlight? I can see folks in rainy cities like Seattle going to watch a movie with a lot of sun, like westerns, just to catch some Vitamin D maker !!!

 

[basspig]

That would depend on the UV content, which should be limited. Imagine getting skin cancer from watching a movie!

 

[jostenmeat]

That would depend on the UV content, which should be limited. Imagine getting skin cancer from watching a movie!

Interesting, heh. Perhaps it could be a more enjoyable method of treatment for children who live in dark areas that need vitamin D stimulation. I remember this photo when reading a NG mag.

 

[BMXTRIX]

Does anyone know how big of viewing screens are available right now?

I don't understand this question.

For projection - you can get movie theater sized screens... How much space do you have?

For flat panels (plasma/lcd) I think you get over 100" pretty easily.

Of course - it's all about the tens of thousands you have to spend.

 

[finishers]

Yes.. I agree to BMXTRIX..
What is your budget for the screen?

 

[basspig]

Only about 700 lumens on this, and I've got no idea what their MSRP will be, but probably a lot...

http://www.projectiondesign.com/Default.asp?CatID=1778

Yet, it's a full 1080p projector and will need a new lamp right around the time your plasma or lcd display dies on you.

I figure in about three years we may truly start seeing the end of the UHP lamp, but this is definitely a step in the right direction for projection lamp technology.

LEDs don't exactly go easy on power consumption and heat. 8.4A is almost 1000 watts of power consumed and 1100 BTU/hr is quite a bit of heat. Three times the electric usage of a UHP based 1500 lumen projector.
At the moment, the only real advantages are fast turn on, long life. LED-based models are also heavier than UHP based, something to consider when ceiling mounting.

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

Casio bumps LED & Laser Hybrid Projector to 3k Lumens

p.s: Sorry for resurrecting old thread, but it's relevant enough to just update it.

Current newest top model with 3k lumens, 20k hours bulb life, $1599 MSRP but unfortunately only 720p (WXGA) resolution

http://www.casio.com/products/Projectors/Green_Slim_Projectors/XJ-A255V/content/Technical_Specs/

I think this could be our next company's conference room projector...

Full model line:
http://www.casio.com/products/Projectors/Green_Slim_Projectors/Green_Slim_Projectors/

 

[BMXTRIX]

There's a lot of talk on AVS about this and the reviews seem to be that it is not a good home theater projector. It is to noisy and doesn't nearly meet the specifications listed for it.

If you haven't seen the Samsung, that is a model which WILL blow you away. I got a chance to look at the LED driven (30,000 hours) LED unit at Infocomm this year and it simply is a cut above. They didn't go cheap on the design or the product and unlike Sanyo's laser/LED/LCD hybrid design, this is all LED driven as the light source.

It is rated at about 1,000 lumens, but it was next to a 2,500 lumen projector and appeared almost as bright... really close.

Hopeful that Samsung will release a 1080p version of that same projector for $2,000 or less in the next year or that someone else jumps all over that model!